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Old 06-21-2007, 02:28 AM
AKingdom AKingdom is offline
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Default Smooth Calling Raises With Aces (6 max)

So after suffering another brutal beat after 'trapping' someone with aces (smooth called raise vs. KQ, guy hits runner runner queens), I decided to look over some stats.

Despite aces being my most profitable hand, to date I have lost about 300$ (each time I got stacked) from smooth calling raises with aces (villain would hit two pair or set). Yet I have yet to make a single penny from doing this. So obviously I'm really questioning this strategy.

It's not something I always do, usually I'll 3 bet but smooth calling is something I've been experimenting with but it's having disastrous results so far.

Any thoughts or comments? Is this just variance and over the long haul smooth calling from time to time with rockets can be +EV? Just seems like every time I do it I get burned.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:31 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

Raise > Call when it comes to EV. your opponents are not paying attention anyway.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces (6 max)

Just 3bet them.

I'd only consider smooth calling someone else's 3bet with them.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:32 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

Here is the HH from the latest beat:

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $50.85
Hero (BB): $59.24
UTG: $35.26
CO: $53.05
BTN: $37.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, CO calls $4.00

Turn: ($12.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $30.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $53.24</font>, CO calls all-in for $17.05
Uncalled bet of $6.19 returned to Hero

River: ($106.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $106.35 ($2 Rake)

CO had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and WON ( $51.30)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pairs, Aces and Queens) and LOST (-$53.05)
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces (6 max)

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Any thoughts or comments? Is this just variance and over the long haul smooth calling from time to time with rockets can be +EV? Just seems like every time I do it I get burned.

[/ QUOTE ]That's because AA is a big RIO hand in a raised pot. Either you win a little or lose alot. Just play straight forward. There is no reason to get tricky at the micros. Just raise, raise, raise your good hands and value bet well. That is the whole key to winning at the micros.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:34 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

Ok 3 bet but what about the NLHE principle of trapping? Why can't I just get one hand where villain raises with AQ for ex. Flop comes queen high and I stack him lol ? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:36 AM
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Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $50.85
Hero (BB): $59.24
UTG: $35.26
CO: $53.05
BTN: $37.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.00</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $4.00</font>, CO calls $4.00

Turn: ($12.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $30.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $53.24</font>, CO calls all-in for $17.05
Uncalled bet of $6.19 returned to Hero

River: ($106.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $106.35 ($2 Rake)

CO had K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Queens) and WON ( $51.30)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (two pairs, Aces and Queens) and LOST (-$53.05)

[/ QUOTE ]boo [censored] hoo, you got all in as a big favorite and lost. not raising preflop didnt do this to you.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:37 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

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Ok 3 bet but what about the NLHE principle of trapping? Why can't I just get one hand where villain raises with AQ for ex. Flop comes queen high and I stack him?

[/ QUOTE ]there is no principle of trapping at the micros. just play good and win, you're not playing people who think.
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Old 06-21-2007, 02:53 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

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Why can't I just get one hand where villain raises with AQ for ex. Flop comes queen high and I stack him lol ? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

That's pretty much what happened in your example hand; except he rivered a 2 outer to beat you.
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Old 06-21-2007, 03:49 AM
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Default Re: Smooth Calling Raises With Aces

Not 3betting with Aces is criminal. You deserve to lose as much money as possible whenever you don't.
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