second pair - C/R on the turn

[pirlouit]

Hello boys and girls,

I always have problem being C/R on the turn.
Was that an easy fold ? and why ?

Thx for your help.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

[jstill]

well this isnt a turn cr so it shows a bit less strength but not much

any read on his utg limping range? id play this hand the same altho that river kina sucks. Theres lots of hands he mite raise the turn with a bdfd JT KT T9 ect, plus i never trust open limpers. If u have the read he doesnt semi bluff u can fold but without it id bet calldown the turn likely folding the K T or 9 of diamonds if he was a turn semi bluffer, and bet the river if just called on the turn looking to defensively bet since he ll bet an A if i ck and try to get value from this Qx hands in his range or a more stubborn worse pair.

[ipushufold]

Personally, I fold to the turn raise, can't see us ahead here many of the times. This is Ax too many times.

Any reads?

[DCWildcat]

's fine

[TheHip41]

I'm not calling "that" river card without a better read. That card hit every draw. You are only ahead of complete ass at this point.

I usually just check call the turn and river at this point.

[pirlouit]

My mistake, that was just a raise, not C/R of course.
Didn't have any particuar read on him. A standard 30/20/1,5.

After reading your answers, here are my thoughts.

What could be his limping range from UTG, given that he's at least an average player ?
Ax, suited connectors, KQ, KJ, QJ, maybe KTs or a medium pair.

His limp &amp; flop call could mean lots of hands, like jstill said

His raise on the turn could be :
1- a bluff / semi bluff.
&gt;&gt; why not. Maybe a flush draw

2- a made hand on the flop, waiting for a turn raise to gain more
&gt;&gt; could mean pocket pair ? hmmm very unlikely because of the Ace on board. He would not raise the turn, would he ?
could it mean a Q ? unlikely for the same reason
could it mean an ace ? YEP. Something like A7, A8, A9, AT

3- a hit on the turn.
&gt;&gt; could be A6 or pocket 6.


CALL THE TURN ?
We are ahead : flush draw, bluff, BDFD
We are behind : anything else
=&gt; very loose call, IMHO

CALL THE RIVER ?
as TheHIP41 pointed out, we are ahead of nothing.
=&gt; Bad bad call.