I see vs. I call

ChrisRock · #1 06-01-2007, 06:37 PM

The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?

*TT* · #2 06-01-2007, 06:42 PM

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The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?

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I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling.

I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days.

B1ight · #3 06-01-2007, 06:43 PM

i agree... 'see' is an outdated term and the only binding words are check, raise, call, fold, all-in

DeuceKicker · #4 06-01-2007, 06:52 PM

What was the guy betting with... pieces of eight? Doubloons?

ChrisRock · #5 06-01-2007, 07:02 PM

Haha..yeah, he might have been using stone tablets instead of plastic cards. I have heard 'I'll see it' on occasion, but thats just in calling...and usually a loose call to boot.

Rottersod · #6 06-01-2007, 07:12 PM

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The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?

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I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling.

I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days.

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But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet.

*TT* · #7 06-01-2007, 07:26 PM

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The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?

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I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling.

I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days.

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But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet.

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I think you misunderstood me, I was told that see actually means your going to raise, but the amount of the raise will be determined in the second part of the statement - which means its not a string bet. It would be the same thing as saying raise, putting out the called amount, then pushing out the raised amount - which is a legal action. So if the bet is $50 and you raise to $100 your putting in $100. But if the guy says I see your bet, and raise $50 its the same thing - and is not considered a string since there is an intention to define the raise in the next part of the statement. I hope this is a better explanation.

Again I want to preface I learned this ages ago, and I might not have it right. This is all coming from very hazy memory. I hope RR is around and can jump in, this is his specialty.

B1ight · #8 06-01-2007, 07:30 PM

sounds about right TT...

*TT* · #9 06-01-2007, 07:34 PM

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sounds about right TT...

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LOL, sounds right... but that doesn't mean it necessarily is. I really think this is a ruling that could change quite often.

Rottersod · #10 06-01-2007, 07:36 PM

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The term I see your bet probably is not used by anyone under 60 in card rooms anymore, but it came up recently. One cannot say I call your bet and raise you XXXX, but what about I see your bet and raise you XXXX. The floor ruled that the only binding word is 'call' whereas 'see' is not necessarily binding as the end of the action. I didn't agree, but then again, I'm under 60. Can anyone enlighten me?

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I might be wrong, but I believe the word see always has to be followed by the word raise. I've never experienced this myself, but I remember talking about how they used to say "see your bet, and I raise you $xxx" when I first started playing seriously, and that was the ruling.

I also think the ruling could be floor/room/day/player dependent because its such a rarity now a days.

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But, it is an angle shoot because it's actually 2 actions. I see AND then I raise xxx. "See" did = "call" back in the day but when what we refer to as string bets were allowed. IMO, anything that is followed by "...and raise" is a string bet.

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I think you misunderstood me, I was told that see actually means your going to raise, but the amount of the raise will be determined in the second part of the statement - which means its not a string bet. It would be the same thing as saying raise, putting out the called amount, then pushing out the raised amount - which is a legal action. So if the bet is $50 and you raise to $100 your putting in $100. But if the guy says I see your bet, and raise $50 its the same thing - and is not considered a string since there is an intention to define the raise in the next part of the statement. I hope this is a better explanation.

Again I want to preface I learned this ages ago, and I might not have it right. This is all coming from very hazy memory. I hope RR is around and can jump in, this is his specialty.

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I understood you but my point was that in today's rooms this should be considered an angle shoot regardless of what the original meaning was years ago.