any reason to three bet?

bigbluffben · #1 06-01-2007, 09:03 PM

Is there any reason to three bet on the river here?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 bets, Button calls, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button calls.

River: (14.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, Button raises, hero????

TRWIII · #2 06-01-2007, 09:30 PM

I dont see why you wouldnt 3-bet the river. The villain doesnt have AA or 99 or he would have popped the turn, and unless he's kinda laggy he's not raising A3 or 44 PF against one limper, so all you are worrying about is KK (3 ways). Far more likely here is AK (9 ways) or an oddly played A9 (discounted to 4 or 5 ways since it isnt as likely).

You're in really good shape here against a lot of the villains probable range.

3-bet.

TRWIII

ProfessorBen · #3 06-01-2007, 09:43 PM

3-bet/call. Given ranges, he has 2 pair far more often than he has a bigger set.

tyler_cracker · #4 06-01-2007, 10:00 PM

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3-bet/call. Given ranges and the preceding action, he has 2 pair far more often than he has a bigger set.

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ProfessorBen · #5 06-01-2007, 10:09 PM

What else are hand ranges made of if not preceding action?

Christian_Peters · #6 06-01-2007, 10:30 PM

What about getting overlay from the CC?

CC will call for 1 more, but will usually fold for 2 cold.
Will calling make us the same when we are ahead, and cost us less when we are behind?

Christian_Peters · #7 06-01-2007, 10:34 PM

On 2nd thought, it seems like we might actually get 2 more out of PFR if we make it 3; he's probably not folding a big ace here - and you are basically ahead of BTN 100% of the time. I can't image what BTN had to play this way?

tyler_cracker · #8 06-01-2007, 10:35 PM

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What else are hand ranges made of if not preceding action?

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*now* who's the nit? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

i interpreted "ranges" to mean "combos", so i thought i would disambiguate a little. maybe this is just in my head.

jstill · #9 06-01-2007, 10:50 PM

tylers point is legit based on ur wording, this isnt a spot where all his holdings are equally likely and thus we can divert to baynesian analysis ie K9 esp w/o a bdfd off the flop is very unlikely to get to the river and KK usually folds after all the other flop calls with players behind to act on the turn. Really not many of the possible holdings make complete sense for one reason or another. AA AK almost always 3bet pre same with 99 which usually folds the flop as does KK if not the flop than almost always the turn. 44 and two pair off the flop or turn usually raise earlier but i wont rule out he wanted overcalls on this dry-ish flop, turn but really he should want to knock out someone with a pair/gutter in this pot.

jstill · #10 06-01-2007, 10:51 PM

btw 3bet