$6.50 Stars AKs EP multiway with nut flush draw

[cougar62]

Second hand of tourney...do we raise more pf? I think I'm betting the flop for value with 4 players in...stupid? On turn, hoping the 2nd q makes it less likely that villian has one...real stupid?? Just think I got this hand all wrong.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO (t1440)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1670)
BB (t1500)
Hero (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1440)
MP3 (t1460)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, UTG+1 calls t80, MP1 calls t80, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls t70, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t340) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t120</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t120, SB folds.

Turn: (t580) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t180</font>, MP1 calls t180.

River: (t940) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t400</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1340

[STALLOWN3D]

If villian only paired the Queen then you're in a flip here with the over cards and nut FD. Even if he has KQ it's still 45/55.

I'm guessing you have no reads. If villain is aggro you could consider a c/r. Also, if you're going to bet the flop for value then you should be making a larger bet than 120. Closer to 200-225 I think.

To be honest, I'm not too sure what the best play is after the flop but I'd probably just check the turn hoping for a free river. I'd fold to the river bet. That doesn't sound like a good way to play it but again, I'm not sure what to do after the flop other than c/f.

[allaboutheu]

I actually really like a check (3x) raise line here on the flop and then shoving the turn (if you miss).

As played I think you need to bet a good deal more on the flop. Its a continuation bet as well as a semi bluff. You do not have the best hand here so you shouldn't be betting as though you do/for value, I would want to take this pot down on the flop. Pot is 340 on the flop I bet 260 I think. I check the river and if he bets depending on the size I don't mind shoving but may be better to just call.

[cougar62]

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I actually really like a check (3x) raise line here on the flop and then shoving the turn (if you miss).

As played I think you need to bet a good deal more on the flop. Its a continuation bet as well as a semi bluff. You do not have the best hand here so you shouldn't be betting as though you do/for value, I would want to take this pot down on the flop. Pot is 340 on the flop I bet 260 I think. I check the river and if he bets depending on the size I don't mind shoving but may be better to just call.

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What I have to do is get the old limit holdem thinking completely out of my head. I applied a limit concept to a no-limit sng....brilliant. In limit, you bet here because you might win it now, you might suck out, or you might win with a turn bet (classic semi-bluff). But I just don't think this works here, especially at the $6.50's. Here a lot of times they'll call if they got any piece of the flop at all, so you're not taking it down that much, which kills a lot of what a semi-bluff is good for. I played limit for so long that some of that stuff is just lodged in my brain.

[mortimo]

PF is good
I bet t250 on the flop
Check/fold turn if he makes a 1/2 pot-bet or more on the turn