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Old 05-22-2007, 01:29 AM
Cornell Fiji Cornell Fiji is offline
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Default TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

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UTG has been at the table for 30 hands and has done nothing memorable
UTG+1 has been at the table with me since the start of the tournament. We had a previous hand in the 15/30 level where he limped pf in the highjack and I raised with 9Ts. He check called the KK7r flop and check-called the 2 on the turn which brought his flush draw. He checked the river when he made his flush and I checked behind with my whiffed 3 barrel bluff (also 9Ts). I know that he is capable of calling to take the pot away on a later street if he senses weakness. Aside from that hand he has been splashing around a lot and had been picking up a lot of hands on the turn and river without showdown.

Avg stack is 3250.

UTG - 2,400
UTG+1 - 6,000
Hero - 3,000

Hero has TT UTG+2.

Blinds are 30/60

Preflop:
UTG raises to 180, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, everyone else folds.

Flop (630): A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 630, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn (1890): 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

this is a read dependent play but I felt that he was likely to fire any river. Obviously I would kick myself if the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] fell but I am planning on probably calling a spade river

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG+1 bets 1200, hero shoves for 1,000 more.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:03 AM
Offspring6767 Offspring6767 is offline
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

Play looks good for inducing a bluff, but against a flush draw it seems iffy. Yea, he may bluff like he probably did on this river when you showed weakness on the turn, but if the spade hits on the river its a hard spot to be in. If he bets out on the river its either a bluff or a flush most of the time, as most of his calling range on the flop has showdown value.
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:09 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

you should definitely be doing this more than the never you previously did before this thread
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Old 05-22-2007, 02:12 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

i definitely don't do this in a $100 donkament of which is a freezeout. people call too much to only get 2 bets in w/ a set.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:03 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

I think this looks good. There is no reason to think he has 2 spades, so even if a 3rd spade falls on the river, the only thing I'd probably do differently is call his river bluff rather than going over the top allin.

Betting the turn probably gets him to fold AJ or AQ and we don't want him to fold those hands. I would say a check is good for that reason.
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Old 05-22-2007, 04:16 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

Don't like this at all, I would definitely bet the turn there is very little chance he folds.

He obviously called 600 on the flop with something. You think this random guy is now going to fold for 600-1000 on the turn when the pot is much bigger? Then once he calls the turn hes almost pot committed on the river.

I think it's clear that you should bet the turn.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:04 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

meh, i disagree that this is bad. maybe it's more of a cash thing and i guess the fact that we're so short and so he's therefore never folding kinda changes thing but i still think this is something that needs to be done sometimes - not without at least SOME kind of read though, and i like it a lot more if it's against some mtt regular who isnt 2p2 (or is but isnt very good)
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:07 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

umm your flop bet sucks don't bet pot with these stacks.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:07 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

Yeah, I quite like this too. I doubt he has an ace so I think he folds to a second barrel reasonably often and this looks like the best way to get the rest in.
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Old 05-22-2007, 05:24 AM
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Default Re: TT flops a set. Getting Creative. ($100)

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umm your flop bet sucks don't bet pot with these stacks.

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I agree with this also. You're risking a lot of value by pot-sizing here. Luckily, you got someone to call that. If he has a flushdraw, you just priced him out so that's good, but you can accomplish the same thing with a smaller bet and hopefully keeping in some Aces. Also, making a pot-sized bet practically tells everyone that you don't have a flushdraw, if they are a thinking player.
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