400NL - reacting to weird river overbet

[ir0nphist]

Villain is 16/14/3 & sees me as ~22/19/3. He recently caught me bluffing the river on a 4 flush board. I don't think a 16/14 is calling PF with SC's, so it seems to me like he either has a set, overpair or missed overs. The action doesn't really fit a made hand though (maybe AA/KK?). I doubt he would check behind on the turn with a set. . . board is getting ugly & would he shove the river with 99-TT here? I'm having a hard time putting him on a hand.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button ($475)
SB ($396)
BB ($410)
Hero ($442)
MP ($1113.20)
CO ($550)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $14, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($34) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $24</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $80</font>, Hero calls $56.

Turn: ($194) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($194) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $1019.2 (All-In)</font>, Hero ??

Final Pot: $1213.20

[wtf5]

insta fold?

[UP UR IQ]

who cares what he has, your not calling, move on -

[wtf5]

if you had A,A here it would be a slightly harder folder...but not much harder

[ir0nphist]

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who cares what he has

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I do. . . hence my post. I'm trying to be less robotic about my game &amp; put in more thought &amp; hand reading.

[UP UR IQ]

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who cares what he has

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I do. . . hence my post. I'm trying to be less robotic about my game &amp; put in more thought &amp; hand reading.

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88 77 33 55 does this help? just [censored] move on useless [censored] like this is a waste of typing

[ir0nphist]

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88 77 33 55 does this help? just [censored] move on useless [censored] like this is a waste of typing

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Ok. . . so do those hands check behind on that turn? If villain has a set why would he raise the flop (fastplay), but then check behind on the turn (slowplay)? That's why I've posted this hand. . . villain's line doesn't make any sense to me. And if that is your range for villain. . . do you fold 33 here?

[fringsrache]

this is waht i am thinking: why does villain check behind on the turn? if villain had a set on the flop he really can check the turn with so many draws. i could see he him playing 67 (maybe clubs) like this. and this is also why i would c/c flop and bet a turn blank every time, bc many draws with check the turn behind.

[dnh83]

I'd probably just fold the flop against this guy. Tough hand to play OOP.

[raptor517]

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if you had A,A here it would be a slightly harder folder...but not much harder

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89 is no different than AA here.