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Old 05-09-2007, 09:07 PM
JrJordan JrJordan is offline
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Default How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

New to the table and villain is unknown. The one orbit I've seen he's limp/caled preflop one other time so he might be fishy. No other reads though.

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Hero ($600)
CO ($2439.80)
Button ($711.90)
SB ($870.15)
BB ($579)
UTG ($1006.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $30</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls $24.

Flop: ($69) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $55</font>, UTG calls $55.

Turn: ($179) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $120</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $360</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $515...</font>

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Old 05-09-2007, 09:17 PM
FionnMac FionnMac is offline
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Default Re: How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

ewww this awful readless...i check back the turn here and evaluate river.
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:19 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

Folding is way, way better than shoving here.
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:23 PM
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Default Re: How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

But there's soooo much value out there vs. lesser hands.
AND it's 3/6 and all players must auto checkraise this flop if they have an OESD (plus a likely pair) vs. a preflop raise.
AND if he has the 4 on the turn why doesn't he bet it since it's such a scary board and it's so obvious I'm checking it through with any hand that has value.

Pretend you can't see the checkraise, I'm confident the turn bet is a good value bet, especially with two flush draws out there and the possibility of villain having 78.
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Old 05-09-2007, 09:26 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

Betting the turn is ok since most of the value in our hand now is vs. draws which obviously don't put any money in on the river. We definitely have to fold to the cr though.
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Old 05-09-2007, 10:37 PM
DJ8682 DJ8682 is offline
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Default Re: How\'s this turn value bet/AI? - 3/6

The villains line to me looks like a draw on the flop and the turn. If he is a fish this is the most common line, c/c on the the draw and c/r when he hits. 44 could be a possibility, but even if he isn't already there you've given him the perfect odds to call. So I guess if he is still drawing this is a great value play, because I can't see him folding to your push.
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