Value town this? If so how much?

[Bond18]

Tilt 6h. Unknown villain just moved to table so i have no clue.

Hero holds J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] on button, villain is CO
Blinds 150/300 with 25 ante i believe.

Hero: 7400
Villain: 16200

Preflop: Folds to CO, CO calls 300, ,hero raises to 1200, blinds fold, CO calls.

Flop:K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
CO checks, hero checks

I decided on this texture of flop villain is c/fing just about all non K hands and obviously never folds a K so checking back might get some value out of him.

Turn: 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
CO bets 1500, hero calls.

River: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
CO checks, Hero?

I've got about 4700 left in my stack, pot is about 6kish, whats the move to get value here?

[mikeJ]

Arr in. Barely anyone is checking a hand better than JJ to you and he can call w/ worse than JJ here.

[J.A.K.]

the part of your stack you are not folding....2000ish

[ZJ123]

I think a shove is kinda thin, i bet like 1800.

[Bond18]

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Arr in. Barely anyone is checking a hand better than JJ to you and he can call w/ worse than JJ here.

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I think weak/bad stations (the kind that open limp 6 max at 150/300) tend to fold out to all ins a lot more than ultra obvious value bets.

[nath]

1800-2000 sounds about right

[registrar]

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I think weak/bad stations (the kind that open limp 6 max at 150/300) tend to fold out to all ins a lot more than ultra obvious value bets.

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It's taken me years to get my head around this.

2300 here for me. I think if they'll call nearly 2k they'll call a little over 2k.

[DDBeast]

A worse hand never calls a push. I make a small bet.

[lemming]

Do you guys really think he calls with Ax high here if we bet like 1800?

I might be too weak here, but I'm often checking behind against unknown villain here... if he had any draw, we got him anyways, if he has a weak K, he's probably calling for those 1800-2xxx everyone is talking about. What is he calling with that we beat?

22,44,77,88,99,1010 or some connectors like 34, 45. You think it's likely he limped with 77+? Unknown villain, I'm exluding these IMO. Might as well be some Kxs.

For pot controlling reasons, against aggressive villains, I might be playing similar with some K10s, KJo, although I would have raised PF.

What do you think? Really worth betting here? (It seems like this is what all people think, kinda irritating me). Am I being way too weak?

[registrar]

How often do you think he has a better hand? How often do you think he check-raises a better hand, given this action? The answers, IMO, are very rarely and almost never. How often does he call a small bet with a PP? Almost always.