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Old 05-07-2007, 02:11 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($398)
UTG ($126.25)
Hero ($400)
Button ($678.35)
SB ($664.60)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $18, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($48) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $32</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $80</font>, Hero calls $48.

Turn: ($208) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $184</font>, hero?

villain is 26/15 in 100 hands. no reads/history.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:55 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

I'd probably shove the flop against an opponent with those stats and without reads. I think this situation becomes much more difficult when we have a stack much larger than 100BB though.
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:05 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

i think this is a stand shove,

the raise on the flop seems weird, but nothing you can do about it if you don't have a read IMO, those stats don't say much, i think it would be helpful to see Flop C/R frequency

i would expect Adxd(most likely A8) here a lot and you are a fav on the turn against that hand
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:06 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

honestly i don't have a standard line here and what i do depends a lot on my image and the way the table's been playing
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

Looks good, shove the turn. The big turn bet as put you off, if it was 120 or something you wouldn't have posted this.
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Old 05-07-2007, 03:57 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

I think I shove this too. I think his range would be far greater than a set and definitely includes many draws and some top pair hands and possibly weaker flopped overpairs too.
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:13 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

obv
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:21 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

Call flop shove this turn is good
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:37 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

i fold this
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Old 05-07-2007, 06:55 AM
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Default Re: common problem: stack off or not with overpair?

its not stacking off if you win - and you should, a lot.
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