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05-04-2007, 11:31 AM
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OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
This hand is from a friend of mine. I was going to give him advice on it, but I am wondering if I should think through how I play this. What is your line in these spots?
Villain is 25/23 over a large sample (Or 25/20, 22/17, doesn't matter too much). So far hero has won all RR pots (3 total), and 1 hand went to showdown where we had KK. Hero is viewed as solid TAG. Eff Stacks: $280 Hero has T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in the BB folds to button who makes it $8 Hero 3-bets to $32, villain calls FLOP: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot $65) Hero? I typically cbet ~$53 and fold to a raise on a dry flop. What's ur play? 
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05-04-2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
same i think
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05-04-2007, 11:34 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
I do the exact same as you. My thinking is he can't raise here without an overpair or better, and I lose to virtually the entire range.
The one weak spot I see with this is I'm not sure what hands call that we beat. Regardless, when I have what I think is the best hand, I like to bet. Edit: didnt need to quote OP [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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05-04-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
Its a tough spot. Against people that agro it really depends. Some of them seem to have a "pride" issue with folding in a 3bet pot or something, if he's that type i'd c/c I think. The reason for this is if I cont bet and he pushes I have a real hard time calling even though I'm ahead a big portion (this guy will push ak/aq/kq/all kinds of crap). If he's not a lagtard I make the standard cont bet and fold to push.
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05-04-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
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The one weak spot I see with this is I'm not sure what hands call that we beat. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly what I was thinking. Maybe 77 calls, but they might raise/fold.
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#7
05-04-2007, 11:37 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
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I do the exact same as you. My thinking is he can't raise here without an overpair or better, and I lose to virtually the entire range. [/ QUOTE ] Why can't Button bluff-shove AK?
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#8
05-04-2007, 11:37 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
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It helps to have a read on Button's calling range... [/ QUOTE ] Of course it does [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] In general, it is difficult to have this read without playing a lot of hands with them because RR pots don't go to showdown that often. For this example lets assume it is pretty unknown.
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#9
05-04-2007, 11:38 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
Here's another possible line.
Check the flop. If he bets, call. If an Ace or King comes on the turn, bet. If the turn bricks, check again. If he bets again, fold. If he checks the turn, value-block any river and expect thin calls from underpairs. This line underreps our hand and gets value from underpairs. If he checks the flop, bet any non-Ace non-King turn (note our changing read here). Expect thin calls from underpairs. Same river play as above.
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#10
05-04-2007, 11:39 AM
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Re: OOP in RR pots with Marginal Over Pairs
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[ QUOTE ] I do the exact same as you. My thinking is he can't raise here without an overpair or better, and I lose to virtually the entire range. [/ QUOTE ] Why can't Button bluff-shove AK? [/ QUOTE ] Of course he can. Include this as a part of his range. If that is the only hand that we beat that shoves, his range still crushes us. BTW, if you are going to bluff shove over my cbet here, AK is absolutely the best hand to do it with, but that is probably for another thread.
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