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Old 05-04-2007, 02:55 PM
Suaimhnea Suaimhnea is offline
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Default A Bunch of Shove Questions at $5.50s

I'm primarily a cash game player and have gotten kind of frustrated with my regular game, so I've ventured into STT games.

I've been working on the push/fold phase of STTs, but am not sure if I'm leaking in some spots. Here's some questionable hands:

Hand 1

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button (t2550)
SB (t4549)
BB (t2315)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t2230)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP (t1856)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises ??? </font>

Given the stack sizes, is shoving the best play to extract value?


Hand 2

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP (t1745)
Button (t4455)
<font color="#C00000">SB (t2465)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t950)</font>
UTG (t3885)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t175</font>, SB calls t125.

Flop: (t350) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t2290 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t775 (All-In).

Turn: (t3415) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t3415) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3415

Coming from cash games, the gross overbet is usually a less than premium hand. I don't think we're deep enough consider folding that hand. Thoughts?


Hand 3

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP (t2830)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1335)</font>
SB (t2375)
<font color="#C00000">BB (t1975)</font>
UTG (t4985)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t450</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t1975</font>, Hero calls t885 (All-In).

Flop: (t3385) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t3385) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t3385) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3385

My opponent hemmed and hawwed before making his move. Someone at the table said something to the effect, "If you move in he's calling this time" (or something that clowny $5.50 STTs would say). Is this a shove?


Hand 4

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1655)</font>
SB (t1950)
BB (t4130)
<font color="#C00000">UTG (t5765)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t450</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1655</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG calls t1205.

Flop: (t3535) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t3535) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t3535) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t3535

I almost folded. Thoughts?

Thanks everybody.
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:02 PM
diditmyway diditmyway is offline
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Default Re: A Bunch of Shove Questions at $5.50s

1.) make it 375 call a push
2.)I push Pf (edit: thought it was 150 blind..with 25/50 i just check and see a flop)
3.)open push
4.)fold, this is like calling an allin witch would be massive -EV no matter his range
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:02 PM
DeuceSeven DeuceSeven is offline
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Default Re: A Bunch of Shove Questions at $5.50s

Hand 1: If I've been shoving alot lately I might shove here. You have a pretty healthy stack so I make a standard raise to 400.

Hand 2: Preflop make it 200. On the flop this is often a draw or a pure bluff imo. I need a read to call though...

Hand 3: Just open shove.

Hand 4: I fold. If villains been raising alot then I might think about a shove.
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Old 05-04-2007, 03:54 PM
ger664 ger664 is offline
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Default Re: A Bunch of Shove Questions at $5.50s

Hand 1: Raise to 3775
Hand 2: Standard. I think I would need a read to fold here
Hand 3: Push
Hand 4: You were almost right.
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Old 05-04-2007, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: A Bunch of Shove Questions at $5.50s

1. if youve been shoving a lot shove other wise 400
2. 150 or 200 (checking isn't awful either)
3. shove
4. fold you still have 10bb and are fine
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