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Old 05-01-2007, 06:45 PM
Praetor Praetor is offline
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Default KQ turns trips after flop cr

Prima Network No-Limit Hold'em, $10.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($1172.00)
Button ($567.25)
SB ($1416.93)
BB ($873.54)
Hero ($1003.00)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $40</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls $35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($90) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $255</font>, Hero calls $190.

Turn: ($600) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1126.93 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $708 (All-In).

River: ($2434.93) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>
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Final Pot: $2434.93


Is this ok? the villain is 22/13/4 over a good sample

does anyone just fold on the flop?
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:06 PM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

I think I fold pretty often on the flop, perhaps too much. Only reason im considering a call is the possibility of him check raising a draw.

As for the turn, it seems as though you almost commit yourself by calling on the flop, but why would the opponent do this on this card? I think he is shoving here knowing you have a K after you called the RR on the flop. And he isnt shoving knowing you have a K when your ahead....
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:41 PM
Kristian Kristian is offline
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

I think this is fine. Flop call is debatable of course, but I want to see another solid bet out of him before I fold. On a drier board I can find a fold much easier.
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Old 05-01-2007, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

Can someone explain to a SSNL fish why the flop action is close? I call this all day long without thinking...
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

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Can someone explain to a SSNL fish why the flop action is close? I call this all day long without thinking...

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What could you possibly think he is reraising here? This opponent is not extremely aggressive so I dont think he is reraising mid pair or anything like that often if at all.
So... his range probably looks like this: KJ, 44, AK (possibly), KQ (as a feeler), A10dd, some other 2 diamond hands, but remember you have the Q of d, and Q10 (possibly). He is also bluffing every so often but probably only about 10% of the time. With that said, the only thing we are ahead of are draws. I really dont feel like doing the math, but it will end up being a very close call. I prefer a fold often just because I know that im folding most turns to signs of aggression, which means that even though the numbers look like its close, they are somewhat decieving as he may be fairly likely to bet strong on the turn with draws and get me to fold, therefore my equity against these draws cannot be my true equity since im folding the turn often to hands that im beating.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:03 PM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

I probably woulda played it the same.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:26 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

Turn is an instacall after that flop action. The flop is obv thin and player/read dependant, but you already knew that.
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Old 05-01-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

holla i was happy enough with the hand but I lost it so felt the need to post it because im running bad

44
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

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holla i was happy enough with the hand but I lost it so felt the need to post it because im running bad

44

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I was gonna say he had 44 before reading the post =/
The way the action went down he pretty much knows you have a K at least and is still electing to push. I think you see a K or 44/JJ here way too much. Not saying i wouldn't have called the flop, but when hes still pushing on that good a turn...i smell 44
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:20 AM
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Default Re: KQ turns trips after flop cr

Fold is best here its 444 QUITE a lot or KJ. Openshove on turn when board pairs indicates they've prob filled from my experience IMO.
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