2/4 - 4 Handed - Three bet to drive out?

[Fray Bentos]

Okay, I posted UTG by accident. No reads on any at the table as iv only just sat down. Avg. 43% seeing flop, so villians are loooose.

Basicaly Im not too sure on my flop line. I raised Mp2s re-raise to push Mp1 out of the pot but as you can see that backfired. Does anyone like my line? And is there any value in betting the river? Thanks guys.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Kc, Qh.
Hero checks, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.50 SB) 2h, Ks, 4h (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 caps, BB calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (11.75 BB) 5d (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: (11.75 BB) 8d (4 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[Frond]

River-Yes, bet it here IMO. MP2 raised the flop the checks the turn

[Mr. Orange]

I would raise PF.

I definately think you need to bet the river after MP2 checks the turn. It looks like he was getting crazy with a heart draw on the flop or maybe a pair plus a draw.

[James.]

man, you need to raise pf. your flop line is standard. turn is fine. valuebet the river.

[fishyak]

I agree with the PF raise. At loose live tables, I raise KQo UTG.

Gotta bet the river. There is dead money in the hand. Substantial chance of busted flush draw by flop raiser. Any two pair or odd set, he should have bet on the turn. If he had AK, where was his PF raise? The most likely hand was a heart flush draw probably to the Ace as an overcard against 3 opponents. That gave him the odds to cap even as a draw. He was left high and dry by the river. Bet it.

[Fray Bentos]

Yeah, Im an UTG nit [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I didn't bet the river because I was simply confused by the flop. What hands do we get a call from on the river? KJs the only one I can think of thats realistic here. No?

[James.]

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I didn't bet the river because I was simply confused by the flop. What hands do we get a call from on the river? KJs the only one I can think of thats realistic here. No?

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99+, an 8, any king and sometimes Ahigh if you have the right image. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

lots of times a draw that backed into a pair of some sort will go ahead and look you up given the pot size. understand people's calling ranges are wider in larger pots. this means you can valuebet liberally in big pots because you are paid off more often than when there aren't as many bets in the middle of the table. take advantage of that with strong hands like top pair.

also, i think you're assigning too tight a range to these guys.

[Harv72b]

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man, you need to raise pf.

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Because Hero posted UTG, this is one of the few times that I could see playing KQo from EP & not raising with it. I think that the fact he posted there makes it unlikely that a better hand would fold to the raise, and by checking his option he encourages dominated hands to limp behind.

Agree completely with the river value bet when the hearts draw whiffs. With the size of the pot & the fact that the turn checked thru, you're going to get at least one worse hand to call about 100% of the time.

[Fray Bentos]

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also, i think you're assigning too tight a range to these guys.

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Yeah I do that way too often to. I forget that people at 2/4 never fold, ever.

[Man of Means]

rrrraise preflop

Flop/turn you have two options: One is to just call the raise and bet the turn to block the free card play. The other is just to 3bet for value like you did. But then it's this predicament of "hmmm do I bet out on the turn even though I got 4-bet there?" With a fairly safe turn card like offsuit 5, strongly consider betting.

Bet the river. After the turn checks it's likely a flush draw that freecarded you. [And when you post action, don't show us that it got checked thru.] You might not get called often but the pot's big enough that weaker pairs and AXhh will look you up sometimes.