sexied on turn by LAG in big pot

yourface · #1 04-23-2007, 10:11 PM

villain is quite loose and pretty aggressive

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
3 players
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Pre-flop: (3 players) hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
hero raises, SB calls, BB 3-bets, hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6SB, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, hero calls, SB folds.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
BB checks, hero bets, BB raises

I'm pretty sure we need to bet this turn to protect our hand from 6outers. do we call down the c/r?

anyone raise the flop?

Gurravasa · #2 04-23-2007, 10:48 PM

Is he doing this crazy play with a worse hand than 88 more than 17%? Thats the issue here. I often call this down with no reads, but I doubt that I win more than 17%. Most players aren't bold enough to do this as a pure bluff and I don't think a semi-bluff is very likely either. But with no read it's very hard to tell.

jba · #3 04-23-2007, 11:26 PM

seems like an easy value check on the turn. if it's not an easy fold it seems like an easy check let's put it that way. flop is close to a raise but I'm torn.

yourface · #4 04-23-2007, 11:29 PM

value check?

I didn't know this guy was capable of a move like this, and I can protect my hand from a 6 out draw with a turn bet.

it felt like an easy fold but now I'm not so sure.

jba · #5 04-23-2007, 11:35 PM

6 outer in this pot if you give him a free card when he would have folded (assuming he folds 100%) that is worth around .5 bet. if you check behind he is firing x rivers (or check calling stuff like AQ), assuming x>.5 check is better. and you never fold the best hand and you never fold a 2 outer.

HOWMANY · #6 04-23-2007, 11:58 PM

There are so many draws out there that I have a hard time not seeing a showdown. I think betting turn and calling down a c/r is fine in this spot.

Gurravasa · #7 04-24-2007, 12:45 AM

jba, I think you're right about x>0.5. How to act on a scary river like an ace after checking the turn? Do you bet/fold or check? I think I would check but maybe thats to weak?

milesdyson · #8 04-24-2007, 12:55 AM

PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins 8.70 BB.

jt1 · #9 04-24-2007, 01:11 AM

Precisely why I play TAG's just like I play LAG's. And probably why you check the turn through so much.

yourface · #10 04-24-2007, 10:53 AM

[ QUOTE ]
PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Turn: (5.70 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button folds.

Final Pot: 8.70 BB

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins 8.70 BB. 

[/ QUOTE ]

sick play miles. you fold out overcards for sure and maybe even medium PPs from a villain who is scared of being outplayed. do you make this play ever with an overpair?

btw is 46s a standard open for you there 5handed? I don't like it.

I think that if I wasn't going to bet/call down against my villain I should have checked through the turn. I'm leaning towards bet/call down.