50: xpert flop check

[TheRenaissance]

Villain is loose and passive.
How terrible is this?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Hold'em Cash Game
$0.25/$0.50 Blinds
6 Players
LegoPoker HH Converter

SB: $58.70
<font color="black"> 33/6/1 (BB): $70.80 </font>
UTG: $56.50
MP: $70.80
CO: $66.95
<font color="black"> Ren (BTN): $49.75 </font>

<font color="black"> Preflop: </font> Ren is dealt A J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
2 folds, CO calls $0.50, <font color="red"> Ren raises to $2 </font>, SB folds, 33/6/1 calls $1.50, CO folds

<font color="black"> Flop: </font> ($4.75) 9 T 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
33/6/1 checks, Ren checks

[jordiepop]

we do have an oesd and the a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] i wouldnt mind taking a stab here but if called i dont put anymore money in the pot unless we hit....

[crushednuts]

looks good to me..

[Better Than U]

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looks good to me..

[/ QUOTE ]betting here is good sometimes but in general people aren't folding on this board because it hit most of everything anybody would call with ever.

[Jouster777]

We have an incredibly strong drawing hand that will be totally transparent when we hit and "wake up". I like the flop bet for FE, to build pot, to disguise. (edit - ...and to buy a free river card)

[TheRenaissance]

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We have an incredibly strong drawing hand that will be totally transparent when we hit and "wake up". I like the flop bet for FE, to build pot, to disguise.

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This is my normal thinking in these type of situations, and I usually bet.
However, I am experimenting with being more selective with my cbets, and sometimes checking in HU pots with lots of different hands vs some opponents.

I checked here because
...there is a good chance I will get called, so my FE is lower than normal
...I can avoid being cr off my decent draw
...with four to a straight my hand will be transparent no matter what I do

[Jouster777]

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We have an incredibly strong drawing hand that will be totally transparent when we hit and "wake up". I like the flop bet for FE, to build pot, to disguise.

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This is my normal thinking in these type of situations, and I usually bet.
However, I am experimenting with being more selective with my cbets, and sometimes checking in HU pots with lots of different hands vs some opponents.

I checked here because
...there is a good chance I will get called, so my FE is lower than normal
...I can avoid being cr off my decent draw
...with four to a straight my hand will be transparent no matter what I do

[/ QUOTE ] Since he is passive FE is lower than normal but not zero. Along the same line, the risk of a c/r is lower than normal and more likely he will slowplay his big hand on the turn too to give you a free card. If you turn a straight you can check or bet weakly giving you a chance to look scared of the straight and inducing a bluff or at least still getting a river bet called.

I'll forego a cbet against passives more often but I think the reasons to bet on this flop are just too compelling for little if any gain.

[Gullanian]

How is the straight transparent? It would be blatantly obvious with 4 connected cards on the table.

[Better Than U]

transparent = blatantly obvious

There's your vocab lesson for the day.

[Better Than U]

Jouster,
" Since he is passive FE is lower than normal but not zero." This bet is not going to be a positive one in the long run.