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Old 04-03-2007, 10:02 PM
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Default $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

Hand converter didn't like this hand. Sorry in advance.

Hero has KQo in the CO with a stack of $26.05.

UTG is looking loose but I don't have many hands on him.
UTG+1 is looking rocky but not many hands again.
There is a poster in the HJ that is unknown.

UTG has me covered.
UTG+1 has $24.15.
Poster has $21.10
BB has $24.75.

UTG and UTG+1 both limp, poster checks.

I decide there probably isn't much value in raising in this spot so I decided to limp in with my position.

It is folded to the BB who checks.

FLOP($1.45)
QT6 rainbow.

Everyone checks to the CO who bets $0.75.

I thought he was unlikely to have a better queen. I thought he could maybe have a set of 6's, or maybe eve tens. Other possibilities included MP, BP, or some straight draws. I decided to call.

The rock called also.

TURN($3.70)
2

Checked to the HJ who bets $2.50.

I was really a bit uncomfortable, but I felt it was likely he was doing this with enough hands that I was ahead of(worse queens and draws) so I called.

The rock called again.

RIVER ($11.20)
5(no flush possibility)

It is checked to me. I decide to get myself into trouble and value bet, $3. The rock folds and the HJ c/r's me AI.

Now what?




EDIT: What do yo put HJ on after his river c/r?
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

once you get to the river and bet like that, fold to the shove

I think I would raise the flop to $3 though
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:13 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

I think in the CO I'd prefer to raise or fold preflop. I'd tend to fold KQo instead of overlimp.

As played, I don't like calling very much on the flop and turn. But I don't like folding either. Raising one time on the flop might be OK, but if you were to raise the flop and get called, then the pot would be a lot bigger with TPWK. At that point, if it weren't checked to you on the turn, then folding the turn would probably be best.

As played, I think you missed a good chance to check behind on the river and now you have to fold.
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:19 PM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

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I think in the CO I'd prefer to raise or fold preflop. I'd tend to fold KQo instead of overlimp.



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Why raise or fold? What are you hoping to achieve with the raise? This hand doesn't have any value in calling?
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:26 PM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

i would definately check the river
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:31 PM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

Raise PF.

Raise the flop.

As played bet at least 6 on the river, your 3$ bet is to small a value bet unless your trying to induce a CR (which you did) which is not a good thing to do here because your hand is not strong enough to call a CR.

So your sort of have to fold but it is really bad because you could have easily induced a bluff with your laughable bet.
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:03 PM
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Raise PF.

Raise the flop.



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Could you give me some reasoning?
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Old 04-03-2007, 11:25 PM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

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As played bet at least 6 on the river, your 3$ bet is to small a value bet unless your trying to induce a CR (which you did) which is not a good thing to do here because your hand is not strong enough to call a CR.

So your sort of have to fold but it is really bad because you could have easily induced a bluff with your laughable bet.

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I agree that a river bet was wrong.

However, I am not sure I agree with your comment about the bet size(or rather I agree, but not as strongly). Not that I think a bigger bet is bad, but the idea was to get a weaker Q to call, which I thought was a likely hand of his with his river check. I thought that if I bet small I might get some lower pairs to call than if I had bet higher.
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:15 AM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

Since this thread is apparently dead I am going to post results.


I thought his river c/r didn't make any sense with any made hand. I figured he would bet out any river that he had been value betting. Therefore, I figured he had a straight draw and was bluffing me. I called and he showed KJo. MHIG
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Old 04-04-2007, 08:34 AM
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Default Re: $25NL... KQo in CO, what sort of trouble did I get myself into???

threads13,

You need to put in a small raise on the flop (say to $2) so you can find out where you are in the hand. You want to play a small pot with this hand and a raise may be the best way to do that. If he re-raises, you can fold. If he calls and checks to you, then you can either a) check behind and call a river bet or b) bet about 2/3 pot (fold to a re-raise) and then check behind him on the river. This type of line will keep the pot small which is what you want to usually do with top pair.

Thoughts on my reasoning?
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