quasi-exposed card - horrible dealer ruling

schwza · #1 03-21-2007, 08:38 PM

i haven't played a lot of live poker, but i thought this was awful. i'm in the two seat at binion's, and i see one of the one seat's cards while the dealer is dealing, and i say so.

dealer: what was it?
me: you want me to say it out loud?
dealer: yeah
me: four of diamonds

she looks at the card and says, "nope," and the hand continues. it turned out it was the three of diamonds. if i were him, i'd be pretty pissed. the table now knows that he does not have the four of diamonds, and that he probably has a card that looks kind of like it. i thought it was a pretty terrible ruling.

youtalkfunny · #2 03-21-2007, 08:53 PM

I'm at the final table of a tournament, three of us left. I'm on the button in Seat 4. My opponents are in Seats 1 and 3.

My first card wobbled in the air badly on the way. It leaned close to perpendicular to the table, then righted itself in the air, and landed face down. I was pretty sure that everyone but me had seen it.

I said, "I don't want that one, it flashed," and immediately turned it up. It was the A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

The dealer started to argue with me, insisting that the card had not flashed.

"Do you think I turned it up because I didn't want an Ace???" He relented.

StrayBullet · #3 03-21-2007, 09:05 PM

I got heads up in a $250 sng and as the cards are coming out, the opponent thinks he saw one of my cards and implies as much to the dealer. He asks me if it was the 4, and I reply honestly, no. He then asks if it was a 5 and I again reply with, no. He then asks the dealer if the hand can be re-dealt.

The dealer asks me if I want a "re-deal" and I say no, as my kicker was an Ace, A7o [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Opponent comepletes from the sb and I push, he calls and tables Q2o. MHIG and I take 1st place down [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

juanez · #4 03-21-2007, 09:22 PM

So you just THOUGHT you saw the other guys card, but not really, because what you thought you saw wasn't correct. But you still blame the dealer when it was you who was wrong to begin with. Nice.

m_reed05 · #5 03-21-2007, 09:28 PM

Not to steal the thread, but in a home game recently, one card flips and lands face up when being dealt, its the ace of spades. Everyone sees it, but this person says he wants to keep it. Everyone argues, finally someone decides since he is one of the blinds, it is a misdeal, and the hand must be redealt. How would this be handled in a casino? Is this correct with the blinds? Can he keep the card if he wants to?

TiK · #6 03-21-2007, 09:49 PM

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Not to steal the thread, but in a home game recently, one card flips and lands face up when being dealt, its the ace of spades. Everyone sees it, but this person says he wants to keep it. Everyone argues, finally someone decides since he is one of the blinds, it is a misdeal, and the hand must be redealt. How would this be handled in a casino? Is this correct with the blinds? Can he keep the card if he wants to?

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In every cardroom that I've been to, if either of the first two cards dealt is exposed, it is considered a misdeal. So if the blind's first card was exposed, it should be redealt, but if it was the second card, it's used as the first burn card and what would've been the burn card becomes his second card.

schwza · #7 03-21-2007, 09:49 PM

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So you just THOUGHT you saw the other guys card, but not really, because what you thought you saw wasn't correct. But you still blame the dealer when it was you who was wrong to begin with. Nice.

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so i know the guy has a low diamond in his hand. i'm supposed to just keep playing cause i'm not sure which one it is? good idea, very ethical.

AngusThermopyle · #8 03-21-2007, 10:09 PM

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So you just THOUGHT you saw the other guys card, but not really, because what you thought you saw wasn't correct. But you still blame the dealer when it was you who was wrong to begin with. Nice.

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so i know the guy has a low diamond in his hand. i'm supposed to just keep playing cause i'm not sure which one it is? good idea, very ethical.

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I think you did the right thing. I think the dealer should have turned over the card saying 'Close enough' and given him a replacement.

Emperor · #9 03-21-2007, 10:44 PM

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So you just THOUGHT you saw the other guys card, but not really, because what you thought you saw wasn't correct. But you still blame the dealer when it was you who was wrong to begin with. Nice.

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so i know the guy has a low diamond in his hand. i'm supposed to just keep playing cause i'm not sure which one it is? good idea, very ethical.

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The appropriate thing to do is keep your mouth shut until after the hand, and then remind him to protect his cards. That is his responsibility, and not yours, but a friendly reminder after the hand is polite, however not required.

Bringing it to the attention of everyone while in the middle of a hand isn't fair to anyone. It isn't fair to embarass the guy showing his cards, and it isn't fair to the guy on the button with AA.

AngusThermopyle · #10 03-21-2007, 11:00 PM

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The appropriate thing to do is keep your mouth shut until after the hand, and then remind him to protect his cards. That is his responsibility, and not yours, but a friendly reminder after the hand is polite, however not required.

Bringing it to the attention of everyone while in the middle of a hand isn't fair to anyone. It isn't fair to embarass the guy showing his cards, and it isn't fair to the guy on the button with AA.

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and i see one of the one seat's cards while the dealer is dealing, and i say so.

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I read it as the dealer flashed the card. And if he saw it, perhaps others did too.
Poker is a game of incomplete information. Those who have more information are at an advantage. In this case an unfair advantage. It would be unethical to keep quiet.