One for the elders.

[Bacon Mmmm]

Tufat and others. Is this the essence of the previous disscusion? Villain is TAG 19/yada yada yada. It is probably known that I will overbet on the river sometimes with big hands.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($98.50)
Button ($272.60)
SB ($354.15)
Hero ($113.85)
UTG ($255.50)
MP ($100)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $14</font>, MP calls $10.

Flop: ($28.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22</font>, MP calls $22.

Turn: ($72.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks.

River: ($72.50) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $77.85 (All-In)</font>

Final Pot: $214.35

[sc000t]

I like it.

[The White Rabbit]

unless villain is known as an habitual floater in 3-bet pots, what hands you want to get it in with are ever checking turn, risking having it checked through and having to make a dumb river overbet?

[hotbacon]

I think this is a good play to make occasionally. Good board for it here.

[FishSticks]

I don't know if I loved the other one, and I don't know if I love this one. Is villain really going to buy that AA/KK checked the turn in this situation? What do you think he puts you on here?

[FishSticks]

I should also not that if villain is a huge robot and won't put you on a hand, but will just say "hmm, big bet - time to fold JJ" then it's better.

[The White Rabbit]

If JJ is ever calling the flop and checking this turn, it should be with the intention to call a blank river.

[Bacon Mmmm]

What hand does he put me on is a valid question. What hands will he call with and how often is the other. I got to this spot and was clueless as usual. Tufat pushes in similar spots. Better than any plan I had. It would be more effective if we were a little deeper for sure.

[Bacon Mmmm]

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If JJ is ever calling the flop and checking this turn, it should be with the intention to call a blank river.

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To a normal value bet I agree.

[FishSticks]

Yah I didn't love tufat's line on that hand, either.

This isn't terrible and will work enough - it's not total spew, it's just, why not fire your 2nd barrel on the turn? If you're betting the turn here with the goods, then bet with air sometimes too.