Please don't 86 the player who is making the game

DrewOnTilt · #1 03-18-2007, 10:24 AM

Borgata 40/80 game on Saturday. One loon of a guy was throwing a party and REALLY enjoying himself. He was the definition of someone with money to burn. He tipped the dealers in stacks of chips. He constantly tried to get people to agree to go allin with him (this is a LIMIT game, mind you), and was apparently always serious, as he actually did end up going allin several times with all manner of hands. In one hand where the maniac had folded preflop, there was a pair of 3s on the board, and he bet a player that was in the hand "$1000 if you show me a 3." Of course the player took the maniac up on the bet. The maniac parted ways with his thousand bucks and laughed his ass off about it.

He was drinking heavily and was really loud, but wasn't being rude or nasty - he was a happy, jovial drunk. I heard no one complain about him, as we all enjoyed having fun with him and spreading the money around, and the dealers all enjoyed getting big tips. Nonetheless, some manager decided that the guy was too loud/too drunk/whatever and made the call to 86 him. I don't know everything that was invovled in the decision-making process. I heard a rumor that the managers had told the guy no more booze, so he kept going out onto the main casino floor to get drinks. I don't know if this is true or not.

I know that the casino has to protect itself against liability from players who become extremely inebriated, but IMHO the managers made a bad call here. The maniac was drunk but didn't appear totally smashed. He was loud but was not making problems with anyone. He had money to burn and was enjoying burning it. There was a REASON that the wait list for the game was a mile deep. He was good for the game! In the blink of an eye - POOF! He was gone.

Bah. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, since businesses that serve alchohol can be held liable if a patron becomes too inebriated.

Mike Gallo · #2 03-18-2007, 11:19 AM

Tough decision.

If the maniac kept drinking after the floor told him to stop drinking and the maniac didnt, the Borgata sees a bigger picture than the poker game.

I side with management in this regard. They have to look out for their best interest.

*TT* · #3 03-18-2007, 11:52 AM

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Bah. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong here, since businesses that serve alchohol can be held liable if a patron becomes too inebriated.

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They can also be held liable for their gambling losses. Not long ago The Wynn was sued by the family of an elderly man who spread around something like 1/2 million in a 24 hour spree there, Wynn had to reimburse the family and the staff all had to refund their tips.

RR · #4 03-18-2007, 12:11 PM

I don't know the rules about this in AC. In some jurisdictions if someone is too drunk to drink they are also too drunk to gamble so if they have to cut him off they also have to make him leave the game.

pa3lsvt · #5 03-18-2007, 03:27 PM

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I don't know the rules about this in AC. In some jurisdictions if someone is too drunk to drink they are also too drunk to gamble so if they have to cut him off they also have to make him leave the game.

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I've witnessed (at Bally's AC) a friend get cut off as soon as he sat in the game, then play for 5 hours. Still wouldn't serve him until the graveyard ended (9 hours after he was flagged).

stabn · #6 03-18-2007, 03:56 PM

Last night in a seattle casino dude is obviously drunk as a skunk but floor doesn't notice and seats him with his min-buy in a limit game. He plays one hand where he calls until the river with 55 on an TJ389 board. Asking on each street what the bet is, taking about 30-45 seconds to stack it and then another 10 seconds to get it past the line. On the turn he says "i call i have a pocket pair, i have a pocket pair". Floor picks him up after one hand already down half his buyin.

DrewOnTilt · #7 03-18-2007, 04:00 PM

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I don't know the rules about this in AC. In some jurisdictions if someone is too drunk to drink they are also too drunk to gamble so if they have to cut him off they also have to make him leave the game.

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Yeah, I know, it just seems like this policy is enforced irregularly. I've seen players allowed to keep playing while in much worse shape than the maniac in question here. Again, the maniac was intoxicated but not falling-down hammered.

Eh. Management was probably right. They just constantly irritate me with an apparent disregard for the health of the higher stakes limit hold'em games.

FireStorm · #8 03-18-2007, 04:08 PM

Either way this is not a great post. Your winrate isn't the Borgata's concern. Granted, I agree with you, it sucks that because he's an idiot and drinking YOU have to lose equity, but, again, that's not their issue. They need to be on top of someone potentially acting like an idiot and causing a scene.

Tom Ames · #9 03-18-2007, 04:44 PM

NO casino would 86 someone like this playing table games, rather than poker, until after he had lost all his cash. They're real sports like that.

bernie · #10 03-18-2007, 05:13 PM

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I don't know the rules about this in AC. In some jurisdictions if someone is too drunk to drink they are also too drunk to gamble so if they have to cut him off they also have to make him leave the game.

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Wasn't there a lawsuit against a casino where a guy sued because they let him gamble after he was way to drunk to make a concious choice or something?

I seem to remember something like that.

Edit: Nevermind. TT mentions it. Though that's not the event I was thinking of.

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