SSHE - can I apply the advice?

[Assahai]

I've been reading SSHE: Winning big with expert play, a second time now and I'm quickly browsing through the postflop section.
The chapter begins with an example, where you hold Q7s and the flop is J75 rainbow, with one card the same suit as your pocket cards, giving you a middle pair and a backdoor flush draw.
A preflop raiser in this situation bets, and the correct play, according to SSHE, is to raise here. Why?
I don't remember if this example was explained later in the book, but I'd like a thorough explanation, why raising here?
The only reason that comes to my mind is to get a free card.

Another thing about SSHE, it is beginning to annoy me because the assumptions about the looseness of the game are just ridiculous. There is the "important" overpair chapter, where it is assumed that "typically" 70% of your opponents see the flop, 40%-50% the turn, and 30% the river card.
Now where can you find a game like that? Seriously? Unless you are playing with a bunch of people who have never played poker before, I don't see how "typically" 70% of players will see the flop?
And SSHE is directed for small stakes holdem, the book saying this applies somewhere from $1/$2 to $4/$8.
Heck, if you play online poker, you can rarely even find a game this loose at $0.10/$0.20 level!

I don't mean to be disrespective towards the authors. I'm sure SSHE is a great book and some parts of it have helped me too to improve my game, but still I have to question it's validity in today's small stakes games online.

[BigBadBabar]

it's not meant for online as much as it's meant for live games, which are still soft. also when the book was written (a few years ago) online games were much softer than they were now.

simmer down?
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[Frond]

Go to any live card room, sit at a 2/4, 3/6 LHE table and you'll see many hands that go 6 to the flop. A lot of times more. Live games are more what htis book is intended for.

As for online, I havne't seen a loose micro table anywhere lately but that doesn't mean that you can't use a lot of the info in the book and apply it towards your chosen games and levels.

[iceit]

now I check out the examples in the book and I couldn't find the one that you are talking about. There is one thought that is almost the same in the chapter called When calling Cannon be Right. This is how it goes. You have Qd7d. You are in the small blind and you complete along with six other players. The board comes Q82 rainbow. You check and it is checked down to the button who bets. This is when you should raise. You raise because 1,you are protecting your hand and 2, the button is probably betting here in this situation with anything. Put the pressure on and make him fold.

I hope that that was the right example cause I'd be mad if I typed all of this for nothing. lol
later

[JojoDiego]

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now I check out the examples in the book and I couldn't find the one that you are talking about. There is one thought that is almost the same in the chapter called When calling Cannon be Right. This is how it goes. You have Qd7d. You are in the small blind and you complete along with six other players. The board comes Q82 rainbow. You check and it is checked down to the button who bets. This is when you should raise. You raise because 1,you are protecting your hand and 2, the button is probably betting here in this situation with anything. Put the pressure on and make him fold.

I hope that that was the right example cause I'd be mad if I typed all of this for nothing. lol
later

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No, the Q-7 hand the OP refers to isn't an "official" example in SSHE, it's part of an introduction to one of the sections. Maybe the postflop section?

Anyway, IIRC, the primary reason for raising in that spot was to protect your hand. It's a decent pot, you have position on the PFR, you may well have the best (but vulnerable) hand because the PFR could be continuation-betting, betting a draw, etc. And, you could push out some better hands. Maybe take a free card, too?

[iceit]

damn it!!!! I wrote all of that for nothing???!!!???
that sucked hehehehehe
later

[ill rich]

you'll find games like that in most 2-4 up to 5-10 limit in a casino, or any live game really.

most of the people online are there to try to win money, live games the competition is mainly just enjoying the game. btw, the concepts work in games where as little as 3 people see the flop, all the way to everyone calling.

in the example on that page, the raise was to try to shut everyone out of the pot because it was rather large, because many people were in and it was raised preflop. plus you have a backdoor flush and an overcard and the bettor could be betting without any pair.

for online games, i'de stick with hold em poker for advanced players, as most of the online players are trying to play well and know most poker strategy so you will need to beat them in different ways than beating bad players.

[zuluking]

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Now where can you find a game like that? Seriously?

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Any casino in Louisiana.