combo draw vs loose player in unraised pot

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Villain in this hand is 34/11.5/1.4. He is a mediocre player but not a complete jobber. I've played with him a bit, but no notes. His mistakes are mostly of the slightly too loose, slightly too passive, doesn't get quite enough value out of his hands. More like small leaks rather than a garden hose.

I'v been splashing around recently at this table so I think I have a pretty loose and aggressive donkey image, to help you evaluate 3-betting. What's a good flop/turn plan?


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">BB ($213.25)</font>
UTG ($184)
MP ($475.17)
Button ($298.30)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($198)</font>

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($6) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.89</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $11.78</font>, UTG folds, <font color="green">Hero?</font>

[Eagles]

call

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call

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This sounds extremely reasonable, and I think it may be the best play. But what happens on the turn if it bricks? If I hit should I lead out, or check/call, or check/raise?

[Snoopy93]

call. in a spade turn check/call ann see how what he does. in a brick check/raise, you probably have the best hand and wanna play this pot big.

[holyfield5]

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call. in a spade turn check/call ann see how what he does. in a brick check/raise, you probably have the best hand and wanna play this pot big.

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great line

[Better Than U]

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call. in a spade turn check/call ann see how what he does. in a brick check/raise, you probably have the best hand and wanna play this pot big.

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great line

[/ QUOTE ]I don't think so. Call and c/c sounds good. /sarcasm

[Dire]

I really don't think your hand is anywhere near as decent as it initially seems here. A minraise from a passive 34/11.5/1.4 player is usually a sign of significant strength here. It's pretty rarely going to be a semi-bluff. He obviously could have lots of hands that have you drawing pretty close to dead here such as JQ with a Qs or a better flush. Of course putting him on such a tight range is seeing monsters under the bed, but the problem is that when he is below that range - we're going to have a really really hard time getting paid off out of position. Our outs put 4 to the straight or 4 to the flush on the board. Even a complete fish can make some pretty decent folds on boards like that when somebody's giving action.

I really think this is a very rare spot. You flopped a seeming monster: top pair with an open ended straight flush draw, but the truth is that you could easily already be drawing near dead, and when you're ahead you're never going to get paid by a worse hand. I fold.