A couple of Stars .50/1 hands for review...

Daniel Magix · #1 03-14-2007, 09:48 AM

Just offering up a couple of hands for review here. Trying to plug any leaks I may have...

Hand #1
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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 8 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

River: (5.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

I led out as a continuation bet I guess, in hopes of ending it right there. Then, with two overs, a backdoor flush and backdoor straight draw, I didn't feel I should fold for one more bet here. But maybe I was wrong? Not sure what the check on the Turn really meant, and maybe I could have taken it down there? Should I have bet there? River check/fold ok?

Hand #2
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Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 6 folds, Button raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG calls, Button caps, SB calls, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, UTG raises, Button 3-bets, SB calls, UTG caps, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (13 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Button raises, SB calls, UTG 3-bets, Button calls, SB calls.

River: (22 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Button calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 25 BB

OK, this was literally my FIRST hand at the table. Was it a big mistake to be calling the reraise fhere with AJs? I was really only looking for a JJx flop or a flush/flush draw - otherwise I was releasing the hand immediately. AJos, I would have released immediately to the reraise, but I guess the nut flush potential is what made me call. Should I have folded PF?

Todd · #2 03-14-2007, 09:58 AM

Hand 1: I think that this is fine.

Hand 2: Fold AJo in the BB for 2, especially since you are not closing the action.

fretelöo · #3 03-14-2007, 09:59 AM

First is perfect - he's making a free-card play and there's no reason for you not to let him as you don't have a hand yourself. Fold on the river is good.

Second, fold pf. SB needs quite a read to think that Btn is iso-raising UTG. Then, he needs quite a hand to go over the top still. Compared to that range, you don't fare too well.

Daniel Magix · #4 03-14-2007, 10:05 AM

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Hand 2: Fold AJo in the BB for 2, especially since you are not closing the action.

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I would have - but my AJ was suited. AJo I would have folded right away to the reraise, but I knew that even if I were up against AQ and AK, I had the nut flush possibility if the flop hit me right. Still shoulda been a fold, even suited?

fabadam · #5 03-14-2007, 10:07 AM

On hand 1 I'm playing preflop and flop the same; When he checks thru the turn it looks like he got the free card he was looking for, landing his flush on the river.
There's very little chance he's bluffing the river here, and that he has also been bluffing the flop with nothing.
(Even if he is bluffing, it might be something like A4.)

Hand 2: I fold preflop. Your chance of flopping a flush is roughly 1/64 (slighty less), a flush draw less than 9/64, JJx is something like 18/2500 (0.72%).
All together, about 16% or 5 to 1 to "draw" your flop.
You are getting about 7 to 2, so with implied odds, you're close to getting the right odds. Calling is reasonable, but only if you're fairly sure you can get bets out of them if you hit.

Edit: this is fairly stupid... hitting your flush draw doesn't win the hand yet, it only gives you a 35% chance to win. If you take that into account, the roughly 9/64 chance for the FD only counts for 3/64 really.
Or, you only have 7% chance to make, requiring 13 to 1 odds. You clearly are nowhere near that, so it's an easy fold.
To be honest, I'm folding it without much thought in reality

Marquis · #6 03-14-2007, 10:22 AM

I'd fold hand 2 preflop and pay close attention to how they play it and what they have.

Todd · #7 03-14-2007, 10:23 AM

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Hand 2: Fold AJo in the BB for 2, especially since you are not closing the action.

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I would have - but my AJ was suited. AJo I would have folded right away to the reraise, but I knew that even if I were up against AQ and AK, I had the nut flush possibility if the flop hit me right. Still shoulda been a fold, even suited?

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Sorry about that. I would still fold, becuase the range of most 3-bettors is very tite, AQ+, JJ+, so you are likely dominated. The sootedness is nice tho, and if you were closing the betting, I would be more likely to spew those bets, and try to hit the flop.

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Absolution · #8 03-14-2007, 10:26 AM

In hand 1 TT or 99 might play this way, but he might also be taking a free card with a flush draw (don't do that heads up.) Your flop call is standard. You have the outs to call there. I don't think you are good often enough on the river to make that call. If his pre-flop raise had of come later or the flush card didn't come in I would probably look him up because he's unknown.

In hand 2 fold this pre-flop. What are you hoping for here? You are dominated, probably in multiple ways, and don't have the odds to chase any draw given the action. You can not call 2 here looking for miracle flops. That is just throwing away money. You might as well call with 72o then. The button raise doesn't mean much, but the SB raising shows too much strength. Look what happened to. You ended up paying 3 with your pretty hand pre-flop and then had to fold post flop because of your absolute and relative position.