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Old 03-07-2007, 08:16 PM
Rhand Rhand is offline
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Default QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $4</font>, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $6</font>, CO calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($21.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $14</font>, CO calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($49.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $40</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO calls all-in $39.15</font>.
Uncalled bets: $0.85 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $127.8
<font color="#ffffff">Hero shows Jh Qh </font>
<font color="#ffffff">CO shows 7s 7d </font>

No reads on the guy
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:23 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

I think you can c/f the river even though that K is tempting to bluff.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

looks pretty standard, nice try on the river but i probably give up and c/f here.

As played you were pretty unlucky to be called, but then this is party
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

check turn
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

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check turn

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i assume you mean c/c rather than c/f. Doesn't this make the hand transparent though? seems like you won't get paid if you hit on the river (apart from a Q or J obv).

I like the lead on the turn i think it conceals your hand to an extent and you could get villain to fold as alot of people will float a flop like this
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

I don't think I like leading this turn really, as any hand that called you on the flop is still probably calling you here... If the turn were the 9s or the Ts, or anything higher, I like betting. Also, in this spot, I think since the villain is kinda short, you can c/r allin on this turn if you want.
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Old 03-07-2007, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

I like leading turn.
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Old 03-07-2007, 09:04 PM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

You bet too much preflop, which led to betting too much on the flop, which led to betting too much on the turn, which forced you to make too big a bet on the river. On the river, you are trying to get him to lay down weak hands and would prefer to be betting less than the stack to do it.

However, because of betting ~70% of pot on the flop and turn, you have little option on the river. If the line had been raise to 3, call. Bet 3, call. Bet 6 call, you are left with a pot of $24 and $52 behind, where you can bet $15 or so credibly to get him to lay down his hand (or fold if he moves you in).

The play itself wasn't bad, you just overcommitted yourself to it by overbetting earlier streets.
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:37 AM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

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You bet too much preflop, which led to betting too much on the flop, which led to betting too much on the turn, which forced you to make too big a bet on the river. On the river, you are trying to get him to lay down weak hands and would prefer to be betting less than the stack to do it.

However, because of betting ~70% of pot on the flop and turn, you have little option on the river. If the line had been raise to 3, call. Bet 3, call. Bet 6 call, you are left with a pot of $24 and $52 behind, where you can bet $15 or so credibly to get him to lay down his hand (or fold if he moves you in).

The play itself wasn't bad, you just overcommitted yourself to it by overbetting earlier streets.

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Isnt betting 4 PF completely standard?
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Old 03-08-2007, 03:44 AM
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Default Re: QJs, flop flushdraw with 2 overs,

Turn bet is fine. River I would c/f. They usually call river when they call turn, so you only really fold out A-high FDs.
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