aggression on partypoker

[Fingerswinger]

i consider myself an aggressive player, but recently i noticed that a lot of partypoker-players are EXTREMELY aggressive. tons of re-raising preflop, c-betting or check-raising every flop, always bluffing on later streets when nothing hit etc.

maybe it's because i play a lot of 200NL instead of 100NL now. anyways, i am wondering if this is profitable play and how to cope with it. i tend to tighten up and call them down with one pair hands a lot, let them do the bluffing when i have a strong hand etc.
but maybe i should also play this "maniacal" style? i guess the swings are huge and i would hate that, but if it's more profitable in the long run...

here are two typical hands with big pots. hero is "CementGarden", i've seen him a few times, think he's a regular, maybe even 2+2?


Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $202
UTG+1: $385
CO: $263.50
Button: $219.20
SB: $453.75
Hero: $248.09

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $7</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $22</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($44, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $33</font>, SB calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($110, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $77</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $338</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero calls all-in $116.09</font>.
Uncalled bets: $144.91 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $496.18



Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $464.75
Hero: $427.84
SB: $201
BB: $200

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $7</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $11</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises to $30</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($75, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $55</font>, BB calls.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($185, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $111</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB calls all-in $108</font>.
Uncalled bets: $3 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $401

[runningirl07]

Hand 1- preflop is a little loose, but the rest of the hand looks good.

Hand 2- its ok to call the raise on the flop sometimes with your j of spades even though it might not even be good. But check turn and river for sure. You butchered this hand, looks like he has an ace and is not folding. This is total spewing.

[AbreuTime]

Hand 1, while pf is unnecessary IMO, I play river same. Very unlikely to be against 2 clubs since Q on flop is clubs.

Hand 2, I'm a little confused as to river bet. Bluff out A9, AT? AJ+ probably 3bets pf, based on your description of the games. I feel like almost all hands villain has that are winning are calling after calling turn, and most worse hands fold. I check behind and hope villain was bluffing on flop with K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

[Fingerswinger]

just to state this again: hero is not me, it's "CementGarden". i picked him to illustrate this style i'm talking about.

do you guys play a similar style? is it better, winrate-wise?

[orange]

hand 2 is spewy.

[aislephive]

CementGarden is very nitty, he was probably just hitting hands.

There are only a couple really aggressive regulars at PP 200s IMO. I'm probably seen as one of the most aggressive players in that game, FWIW.

[Jamougha]

Party is really passive...

[BDaws]

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hand 2 is spewy.

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Ya, why the hell wouldn't he just check behind on the river?

[Fingerswinger]

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CementGarden is very nitty, he was probably just hitting hands.

There are only a couple really aggressive regulars at PP 200s IMO. I'm probably seen as one of the most aggressive players in that game, FWIW.

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yeah, i just sat with him again and he wasn't as wild anymore.
maybe i just chose some extreme tables lately and it's just "variance"...

just wondering - what kind of winrate can a good player expect at party 200NL today?

[aislephive]

I just had a nice 20k hand stretch running at 10ptbb, but I don't think thats close to my true winrate, which is probably anywhere from 5-7ptbb. I'd say your average standard tag can win 2-3ptbb pretty easily by just nutpeddling and using good game selection.