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Old 03-07-2007, 03:04 PM
I.Rowboat I.Rowboat is offline
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Default 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

Live 40/80, full game. Game is not playing particularly tough, i.e., there's some open limping, not much three-betting, and in general, some weak-tight play. I have no history with any of these players; my image is TAG, I have yet to get out of line, and I am up about a rack when the following hand takes place.

Unimaginative MP open limps, hijack calls, I raise 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the button, and am called by the SB (a bit tilted but not an idiot), the BB (a solid, tough player), and the two limpers. Obv. more company than I wanted.

FLOP is fair: 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB bets, the two limpers fold. I raise. SB calls two cold, BB three bets, I throw up a bit in my mouth and call, as does SB.

Comments so far? Is my line standard or too spewy?
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

40/80 Is a bit out of my league so take my advice for what its worth. I think your line is pretty standard. However for the sake of discussion there one thing I'll question. Why would you not 4 bet the flop? Maybe this is considered spewing by some people but if I was the big blind I am 3 betting for the hope that you 4 bet. The goal would be to eleminate the chaser(sb). Now say the SB cold calls 2 more bets (the raise and reraise from you) then I think its time to start worrying about the sb. Better to through in 1 more small bet for your info rather then have to go through the big bets.
Just a thought
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Old 03-07-2007, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

I don't see any reason to raise the flop. You disguise your hand well and you are way behind a tough players range when he leads the flop into a 5 player field.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:18 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

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I don't see any reason to raise the flop. You disguise your hand well and you are way behind a tough players range when he leads the flop into a 5 player field.

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and you allow overcards to play perfectly against you.

EDIT: OP, so far there is no other way to play this IMO. The interesting decisions will be on t & r.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

I like a 4-bet here too, if it's a 4-bet cap.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:33 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

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I like a 4-bet here too, if it's a 4-bet cap.

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andy, can you explain this? what is your turn plan after 4 betting?
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:38 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

See why you dont raise the flop? because people are advising to get 4 bets in.
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Old 03-07-2007, 04:59 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

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I don't see any reason to raise the flop. You disguise your hand well and you are way behind a tough players range when he leads the flop into a 5 player field.

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and you allow overcards to play perfectly against you.

EDIT: OP, so far there is no other way to play this IMO. The interesting decisions will be on t & r.

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Overcards? Are you talking about the big blind or the small blind? I think giving the big blind just overcards is pretty optimistic.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:03 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

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I like a 4-bet here too, if it's a 4-bet cap.

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huh? why? I can't imagine your equity here being very large at all. And you will almost never get a free card here by a good opponent on the turn.
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Old 03-07-2007, 05:08 PM
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Default Re: 40/80, aggressive line with 77 on the button

I think I'm getting a free card here a large percentage of the time. I'm likely behind here but I'm not folding. I thus want the best chance I can have to see two more cards.
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