come hands in BB - 5CD

[forhasta]

Fixed Limit 5 CD. You are in BB with either one to a flush or an openstr8 draw.

Would you guys call one raiser from MP (SB folds)?
What about if there are 2 or more people in for a raise?

Ive been dumping these hands unless i think i'm getting the right odds? Am i getting the right odds only if there is more than one player in for the one big bet?

[DOMIT]

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Fixed Limit 5 CD. You are in BB with either one to a flush or an openstr8 draw.

Would you guys call one raiser from MP (SB folds)?
What about if there are 2 or more people in for a raise?

Ive been dumping these hands unless i think i'm getting the right odds? Am i getting the right odds only if there is more than one player in for the one big bet?

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Unless you have 4 to a str-flush, you don't have the immediate odds that you need if ur HU. I'd dump. Especially a str draw; you're closer to 5-1 for that, so might as well dump HU.

If someone is stealing on the button and I have an Ace-high flush draw, I'd prolly call HU w/ the intention of ck-calling if I make AA. There are people that will pretty much alway bet post. Against those types of people, it can be profitable, as you can get in a check-raise (usually). Problem comes when you're playing your normal tight game and you call a raise and draw 1. Villian, might well just check behind, unless he's super aggro, doesn't want you to call or has a monster. If he's a smart player, you won't get your implied odds. You'll be folding your Ace-high on times when it would win, and calling w/ AA when its a loser.

For these reasons, personally, HU, I'd fold.

If you get even one caller of the raise (still assuming limit), you have odds. By all means, call pre; bet or check-raise post (depending).

[List]

With a flush draw and an Ace you should probably call. Frequently lead out post draw when your opponent draws 3 and you hit your ace, he'll be calling enough unimproved.

[Murakawa]

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Fixed Limit 5 CD. You are in BB with either one to a flush or an openstr8 draw.

Would you guys call one raiser from MP (SB folds)?
What about if there are 2 or more people in for a raise?

Ive been dumping these hands unless i think i'm getting the right odds? Am i getting the right odds only if there is more than one player in for the one big bet?

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Unless you have 4 to a str-flush, you don't have the immediate odds that you need if ur HU. I'd dump. Especially a str draw; you're closer to 5-1 for that, so might as well dump HU.

If someone is stealing on the button and I have an Ace-high flush draw, I'd prolly call HU w/ the intention of ck-calling if I make AA. There are people that will pretty much alway bet post. Against those types of people, it can be profitable, as you can get in a check-raise (usually). Problem comes when you're playing your normal tight game and you call a raise and draw 1. Villian, might well just check behind, unless he's super aggro, doesn't want you to call or has a monster. If he's a smart player, you won't get your implied odds. You'll be folding your Ace-high on times when it would win, and calling w/ AA when its a loser.

For these reasons, personally, HU, I'd fold.

If you get even one caller of the raise (still assuming limit), you have odds. By all means, call pre; bet or check-raise post (depending).

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[Big Limpin]

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Fixed Limit 5 CD. You are in BB with either one to a flush or an openstr8 draw.

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think not only in current odds. you must consider how likely it is you will win a bet(or lots of bets) if you hit.
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Would you guys call one raiser from MP (SB folds)?

[/ QUOTE ] Probably not. Its just you and him, and you'll miss >80% of the time. And theres a decent chance you win nothing when you make your hand.
Calling and drawing is fine if it's execptionally likely you can get post-draw action from him (he's a maniac, or calling station)
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What about if there are 2 or more people in for a raise?

[/ QUOTE ] Absolutely call!
1) You are already getting your price (>1:4 immeadiate odds), so even if you NEVER got a post-draw call, you are still good to go.
Of course, the more villains, the more 2nd best hands they make, so you are really salivating. This situation is a big money winner, and fold would be bad.
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Am i getting the right odds only if there is more than one player in for the one big bet?

[/ QUOTE ]Usually yes, but implied odds could make playing HU okay.

*I'd assume the MP-raiser has a decent hand. Meaning, hero making a pair probably wont help. In the case of a blind-steal, perhaps consider how many face cards you have. Versus the blind-stealer, your impied odds go down, as he's less likely to have a good hand to call your flush, but your equity could go up to cover that if you have some aces and kings that will win the pot.

[bigpooch]

I'll just answer this for limit draw.

When it's three-way (or more!) action, you have an easy call
with a flush draw and most straight draws because you will
usually get at least 4.75-1 right away although you should
strongly consider folding 5432 and KQJT because aces aren't
going to be as frequent as normal. You might fold some
straight draws, if you are playing at a rake-heavy site
where you end up getting only 4.6-1 if the small blind is
the only other opponent.

Heads up versus MP raiser
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Straight draws have only 8 outs and sometimes they can be
brutalized by a bigger hand for two or more bets postdraw,
so you almost never defend with them. The exception might
be against a very aggressive (predraw) button where you have
KQJTx and have some equity when you pair up (your opponent
doesn't frequently autobet after you check).

If your flush draw's equity were entirely based on your
making your flush (and bluffing according to GT = game
theory), then you wouldn't quite have enough to call. On
the other hand, if you held an ace-high flush draw, you have
a small but not insignificant chance of winning if you pair
up on aces against any MP raiser (unless his minimum raising
hand is AA).

It turns out that if you are willing to do the calculations,
you simply need a decent chance of winning by pairing up on
your highest card to defend the BB, so even just a king-high
flush draw will do. Versus a button raise, you probably
want at least a jack-high flush draw even if you know the
button has raised with 99 before since you may get outplayed
(you're not going to check and call with TT, right? Most
astute buttons will know you don't have two pairs for your
failure to reraise, so they'll put you on a busted draw) and
sometimes players only raise with 99A/K, or 99XY.