Lost on QQ hand

Spartak · #1 02-14-2007, 11:01 AM

CO was a complete 60-40 donkey.
Button was 25/9/1

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BB ($244.75)
UTG ($210)
MP ($179.70)
CO ($207.33)
Button ($228)
Hero ($222)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
2 folds, CO raises to $8, Button raises to $25, Hero (poster) calls $24, 1 fold, CO calls $17.

Flop: ($77) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $55, CO folds, Button calls $55.

Turn: ($187) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($187) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $100, Hero folds.

Ineluki · #2 02-14-2007, 11:08 AM

I think you have to bet the turn here to protect your hand from hands like TT/JJ/AKs which the button all could have had from his raise preflop. After the flop, you have already put in 1/3 of your stack and have $142 left. Considering the pot size, I think shoving is an option here. I would definitely like more experienced posters to comment on this please.

hemstock · #3 02-14-2007, 11:10 AM

c/c flop and then c/f turn

Michaelson · #4 02-14-2007, 11:16 AM

Another ugly QQ hand in the SB.

I think I probably call the river bet. You've checked to him twice, even a passive player like this will have a crack here with AK, TT-JJ a fair amount of the time, and you're getting almost 3-1...

scorer · #5 02-14-2007, 11:17 AM

Why are you checking the turn. You should consider calling the river/he will not always have the flush here. He could very easily have TT or JJ here/or maybe a badly played AK

mattnxtc · #6 02-14-2007, 11:24 AM

gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall?

Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK

Michaelson · #7 02-14-2007, 11:29 AM

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gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall?

Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK

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Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing.

mattnxtc · #8 02-14-2007, 11:41 AM

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gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall?

Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK

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Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing.

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9 is a pretty tight preflop raise % but by no means limits us to aa,kk for his range..

Of the ranges that we should be worried about, i just dont think aa,kk, aks play the hand this way. They should have been raising all 3 of those in position on the flop to discourage flush chasers (or in aks situation to build a pot where he is almost always a coin flip).

In position to not bet the turn with a big hand either is questionable

So all that leads to me callin his 1/2 pot bet...if he had a case of FPS then so be it he will donate back soon enoug

CappyAA · #9 02-14-2007, 11:41 AM

Does anyone else like a line of c/c flop, lead turn here?

Michaelson · #10 02-14-2007, 11:46 AM

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gettin almost 3-1 on a 9 high board against a pfr...isnt this an instacall?

Based on villains play i think we can rule out AA, KK

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Well, it's a preflop re-raise from a tight raiser who got called pf from the SB, then got led into, and still hung around. That's not nothing.

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9 is a pretty tight preflop raise % but by no means limits us to aa,kk for his range..

Of the ranges that we should be worried about, i just dont think aa,kk, aks play the hand this way. They should have been raising all 3 of those in position on the flop to discourage flush chasers (or in aks situation to build a pot where he is almost always a coin flip).

In position to not bet the turn with a big hand either is questionable

So all that leads to me callin his 1/2 pot bet...if he had a case of FPS then so be it he will donate back soon enoug

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I call too. I said so above

I also raise the flop and bet the turn if I'm villain with AA or KK.

But remember, this is a passive opponent. You can't just assume he'll play his hand rationally.

All I'm saying is that when I hit the call button I'm not at all sure that I'm ahead, and I'm pleased I didn't have to commit my whole stack.