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Old 02-11-2007, 12:24 AM
jstill jstill is offline
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Default KK A turn

btn is pretty solid probably not quite 30/20 lagtag.

btn raises, hero 3bets KK in sb, bb folds, btn calls

flop 983r
hero bets, btn raises, hero 3bets, btn calls

turn A
hero....

whats the line?
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Old 02-11-2007, 01:04 AM
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Default Re: KK A turn

my line is to b/c and c/c the river. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems standard.
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Old 02-11-2007, 05:45 AM
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my line is to b/c and c/c the river. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems standard.

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Old 02-11-2007, 07:53 AM
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Default Re: KK A turn

You can also c/c, there's not many draws. My first thought was also b/c c/c, but actually it might be better to just c/c turn, and possily b/c or b/f the river. Do you want him to fold here if he doesn't have an ace? And why willingly bet into an ace who will raise and then call down? So worse hands fold, and better hands raise. It's better to let him bluff at it, play wa/wb from there on.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:26 AM
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No one wants to bet fold?

Check call here is pretty bad IMO.
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Old 02-11-2007, 08:49 AM
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Default Re: KK A turn

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Check call here is pretty bad IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]Why? Convince me.

As in, why is it standard to play this way when wa/wb from the start, and when a similar situation occurs later in the hand it's suddenly pretty bad?
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:09 AM
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my line is to b/c and c/c the river. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems standard.

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I like this. I wouldn't be convinced that button has an A if he raises. AA would probably have capped preflop or flop, and raising the flop with Ax after Hero 3-bet preflop would be silly.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:30 AM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: KK A turn

If hes solid hes very unlikely to have an ace in his hand. Bet/call the turn.
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:02 AM
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If hes solid hes very unlikely to have an ace in his hand. Bet/call the turn.

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The way the hand played out preflop, an ace is a very scary card for villain IMO. If he raises the turn do you really think we're good often enough to call down?
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Old 02-11-2007, 11:03 AM
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Check call here is pretty bad IMO.

[/ QUOTE ]Why? Convince me.

As in, why is it standard to play this way when wa/wb from the start, and when a similar situation occurs later in the hand it's suddenly pretty bad?

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Villain made a steal raise on the button, why are we worried about the ace? Why would we offer villain a free card here?
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