10/20 Two tough spots against a LAG.

KingGordy · #1 02-15-2007, 01:43 AM

Villain is running about 39/31, although we haven't tangled that much. He's 3 bet me small a few times, and I folded mostly but nothing out of control.

This first hand felt really weak, but after the river I had trouble putting him on a hand I beat. Does anyone double barrel the turn? Call river?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $3.078.50
Button: $7.712.35
Hero: $2.587.00
BB: $8.065.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Hero raises to $70, BB calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($140, 2 players)
Hero bets $120, BB calls.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($380, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($380, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $355, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $355 returned to BB.

Results:
Final pot: $360

This next hand, I feel like raising and calling both have their pros and cons on the flop, it's a spot where I mix it up. Should I just raise? On the turn I felt kind of lost. My hand seems kind of face up at this point, so he must know that's a bad card for my range, and might be double barreling. In retrospect I probably should have raised the flop or folded the turn. Thoughts?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $10.104.35
Hero: $2.148.00
SB: $5.544.00
BB: $2.167.50

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $70, SB raises to $186, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($392, 2 players)
SB bets $225, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($822, 2 players)
SB bets $400, Hero calls.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1622, 2 players)
SB bets $1,555, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $1.55 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $1622

spino1i · #2 02-15-2007, 02:22 AM

Hand #2: Raise flop! Protect your hand!

From both of these hands you seem to play like a weak-tight calling station. Might want to change your play a little bit.

KRANTZ · #3 02-15-2007, 02:23 AM

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Hand #2: Raise flop! Protect your hand!

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no no no no no no no there is NO reason to protect your hand against a maniac who is running 40/30, call every street and ship the money

spino1i · #4 02-15-2007, 02:26 AM

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Hand #2: Raise flop! Protect your hand!

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no no no no no no no there is NO reason to protect your hand against a maniac who is running 40/30, call every street and ship the money

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Yeh your assuming the lag will fire 3-barrels everytime regardless of whether or not he hits and that you can just be a calling station and beat him. I feel like this is a flawed strategy. A lot of lags want you think this how they play, but many only fire the last barrel if they have a good hand. A lot of them use their bets to control how the hand goes. This is not what you want, espically on this sort of board where a bunch of scare cards exist. Just because the LAG likes to bluff a lot does not give you an excuse to start smooth calling him the whole way with overpairs.

In short, by being a pure calling station your giving a smart LAG a ginormous implied odds edge over you everytime you play a hand with him. Calling more than normal is fine and to be expected but dont go overboard.

TheWorstPlayer · #5 02-15-2007, 02:27 AM

I would definitely call both rivers

KRANTZ · #6 02-15-2007, 02:27 AM

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no no no no no no no

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lapoker17 · #7 02-15-2007, 02:31 AM

isn't 39/31 like borderline retarded?

stop folding.

spino1i · #8 02-15-2007, 02:38 AM

Also note that the flop bet in hand #2 was like half the pot. Making it a borderline blocking bet. You defintely have to raise.

Kirkrrr · #9 02-15-2007, 02:53 AM

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isn't 39/31 like borderline retarded?

stop folding.

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Call river Hand 1 and it's not even close. In fact, sometimes it's okay to raise the river for value, but just calling is totally fine.

Raise flop on hand 2, insta-call 3-bet AI if he chooses to go that route, and in general do whatever it takes to get all your chips in the middle. You are playing way too passive and it's very rarely an optimal strategy.

la,
40/30 is exactly what cts runs at every time I look at Pokertracker (samo I heard was same), so it can definitely work but you better be inhumanly good post-flop.

Kirk

creedofhubris · #10 02-15-2007, 04:49 AM

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I would definitely call both rivers

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