God and Contradictions

[Black_Swan]

Interesting concept and wanted to get everyone's insight into it. If god is all-powerful can god perform an impossible task? (ex: can god make 2+2=5?, or can god create a rock so heavy that he cannot lift?) Specifically, is god bound by logic and math?

[vhawk01]

I think that most theists would concede that God is bound by logic. I mean, otherwise, the concept of God is more or less meaningless. Nothing we say about him conveys any useful information if he is beyond logic.

[Black_Swan]

If god is the creator of all, then god must have created the logical/mathematical structure itself. It seems odd to me that god would be confined by a system that he created.

[vhawk01]

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If god is the creator of all, then god must have created the logical/mathematical structure itself. It seems odd to me that god would be confined by a system that he created.

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I think thats an unsupported assertion. No reason to think logic or mathematics were ever created.

[Black_Swan]

How would you explain the existence of logic/math? Take it as brute fact?

[retleftolc]

I think God built the structure, and can work outside it as he sees fit. If not, then logic becomes more powerful than an all-powerful being.

We cannot work outside of it, and therefore cannot understand how the above statement is possible.

Ret

[bunny]

It seems to me that most theologians believe that God can't draw a square circle.

A possible interpretation would be that part of God's nature is to be logical - he could in fact have made an illogical world or could choose to behave in a way violating the laws of logic, but that is not his nature, so he doesnt.

[m_the0ry]

Math is both the language and avatar of God. God contradicting logic is contradicting itself which only results in the liar's paradox (and necessarily a meaningless hypothetical).

[Black_Swan]

how do you mean avatar?

[retleftolc]

Humor me.

Miracles are true.

Miracles = God working outside math.

Miracles = 7th Standard Deviation

?

Ret