call or shove?

[tannenj]

villain is 51/5/2.3.

Full Tilt Poker
$1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Ring Game
4 Players
LegoPoker Hand Converter

<font color="black">Stack Sizes</font>
Hero (UTG): $656.55
BTN: $86
SB: $207.5
BB: $233.3

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3, 4 players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $7</font>, BTN folds, SB folds, BB calls $5

<font color="black">Flop:</font> 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($15, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

<font color="black">Turn:</font> 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($15, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $12</font>, BB calls $12

<font color="black">River:</font> 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] ($39, 2 players)
<font color="red">BB bets $39</font>

[tufat23]

minraise

[JohnAndersen]

Is this really a call or shove situation? I think we are deep enough that a different raise is an option as well. I think if you shove you are going to miss value from hands that wouldve called a standard raise, not to mention you are more likely to stack off to hand that beats you on the very outside chance you are beat. I think it is def. a raise but what kind of raise maximizes our EV?

Given his stats I am all for throwing in a raise here, I can't see you both hitting BDFD.

[tannenj]

this is multiple choice, that's not an option. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

actually, i didn't consider a smaller raise because that's just not how i tend to play on the river with these stacks. but i guess it's reasonable.

[Dan Bitel]

i actually think minraise/fold is best here

[Slap My Jack]

I think in situations like this when I call, I should have raised, or when I raise, I should have called. I actually don't hate a minraise+1 here.

[JohnAndersen]

I am confused by people advocating the minraise and maybe this is my own inexperience, but won't he call more than a minraise with worse, and can't we still raise a larger amount and fold given stack size?

[thedustbustr]

there is plenty of room to fold after a nice 1/2-2/3 p raise

pot 120 if we call, raise 90 more (make it 120), he has 100 left if he goes all in which is a perfectly acceptable fold. if u arent comfortable folding to a 3bet minraise then make it 100 or something.

[MasterLJ]

Call - You have a big hand but not a monster. I don't think your raise gets called often enough by hands you beat to make raising profitable.

[PBJaxx]

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i actually think minraise/fold is best here

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