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01-28-2007, 09:36 AM
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Was I committed to call preflop?
Final table of a $75 tourney on Full Tilt. Very soft table where it seemed most people were just looking to move up in money. This was a very key pot and I hate how I played it.
Full Tilt Poker No Limit Holdem Tournament Blinds: t2500/t5000 (Ante: t600) 6 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: t98802 UTG+1: t83438 CO: t99669 Button: t124003 SB: t54714 Hero: t103374 Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to t10000</font>, CO folds, Button calls t10000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t21100)</font>, SB folds, Hero calls t5000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t31100)</font>. Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t36100, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t20000</font>, UTG+1 calls t20000 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t56100)</font>, Button folds. Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t76100, 2 players) Hero checks, UTG+1 checks. River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t76100, 2 players) Hero checks, UTG+1 checks. Results: Final pot: t76100 <font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Jd 3h</font> <font color="#ffffff">UTG+1 mucks 6h 7h</font> 
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#2
01-28-2007, 09:52 AM
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Re: Was I committed to call preflop?
No, you weren't really committed to calling preflop -- you should at least call with coordinated cards, pocket pairs, or Ax, but no shame in folding trash. Even though you're getting 6 to 1 direct pot odds, you'll also be OOP vs. 2 opponents and you can't expect to flop big enough often enough to make calling +EV.
No reason to do anything other than check-fold the flop.
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#5
01-29-2007, 12:44 AM
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Re: Was I committed to call preflop?
not worth a cvall here man. what are you hoping for on the flop? whats the most you can get paid off? the answer to the second question is: not enough. so this is a trivially easy fold.
Take the hand out of context for a second and ask yourself if you would play J3o for a raise worth 10% of your stack. i would think the answer is no. you don't have enough reasons to play this hand here. Against one opp whom you know you can push off the flop sure, but multiple opps? i hate it.
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01-29-2007, 12:50 AM
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Re: Was I committed to call preflop?
Was I committed to call preflop?
Hells no
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#8
01-29-2007, 06:13 AM
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Re: Was I committed to call preflop?
The only flop that can make you win money is X33. (XJJ is to dangerous for your opponent to call your bet and JXX too dangerous for you - bad kiker).
Let's make an approximate calculation. There are less than 1% chance you get this flop so you need to win 100*5000=500000 when you get it to have EV !!!!!!!! So you only play for ... bluffing the flop !
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