LOL I think you're drawing

skier_5 · #1 03-18-2007, 11:34 PM

Villian is a random fish, I don't really remember any specifics or anything, but basically I felt he was drawing on the turn but might not be able to fold there so I decided to wait for a blank river. Comments on all streets appreciated, and is calling the turn like this and shoving the river too transparent?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $6 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($870)
SB ($804.75)
BB ($1434)
UTG ($231.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls $6, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $27, 1 fold, UTG calls $24.

Flop: ($96) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $30, UTG folds, Hero raises to $111, SB calls $81.

Turn: ($318) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $54, Hero calls $54.

River: ($426) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $186, Hero raises to $675

ades · #2 03-18-2007, 11:43 PM

If you think he's drawing you neednt raise so big on the river. More importantly however, what are you trying to represent?

gostatego · #3 03-19-2007, 01:35 AM

cant he have KdXd. and if hes a fish. i think hes calling with whatever he has. hes prolly not folding with this line. thats what it seems like to me at least.

restrikt · #4 03-19-2007, 01:48 AM

Yeah this is really bad.

What hand could you be raising for value that you didn't do with on the turn besides 66? And even that prob doesn't make it to the river....

Ugly.

Better Than U · #5 03-19-2007, 01:50 AM

Fold preflop. Fold the flop. After not raising the turn I can't see raising the river but it is the only way you win so....go for it...as long as you know it's bad.

Phresh · #6 03-19-2007, 01:54 AM

wtf are you representing? Also, I don't really raise this flop too often (especially against a fish) because I think they'll usually have a big enough piece (good enough pair for them, as well as draw) to call it. I think it leads for a bunch of ugly situations and I'd just dump it.

BobboFitos · #7 03-19-2007, 02:28 AM

this probably worked or you wouldnt have posted it, (I think?) but I think postflop was pretty spewy. correction, very spewy. it sucks when random fish steal "your" pots with 1/3rd pot bets and stuff, but id let this one go on the flop.

G_Dollaz · #8 03-19-2007, 02:56 AM

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Villian is a random fish,

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this statement alone means that we don't need 2 be representing anything b/c villian doesn't hand read.... that being said, I would think we need a read that says "won't stack off w/ a weak tp in order to make this profitable

dtan05 · #9 03-19-2007, 03:35 AM

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Villian is a random fish,

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this statement alone means that we don't need 2 be representing anything b/c villian doesn't hand read.... that being said, I would think we need a read that says "won't stack off w/ a weak tp in order to make this profitable

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agreed.

MTBlue · #10 03-19-2007, 04:42 AM

Most of his draws hit pairs on the turn. I think I'm done with hand sucks to fold to 1/6 pot, but you got zero clean outs and really poor idea of his handrange.