Do you call ?? $4 180 man SNG

[Huggy]

okerStars Game #8098646061: Tournament #41335112, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/01/24 - 12:02:11 (ET)
Table '41335112 19' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: EPDOWD99 (6135 in chips)
Seat 3: Stano W. (4755 in chips)
Seat 4: PokerWill1 (12953 in chips)
Seat 5: mango24 (4215 in chips)
Seat 6: bugman65 (4685 in chips)
Seat 7: MarshallMoe (10025 in chips)
Seat 8: Ross5858 (4660 in chips)
Seat 9: sgislander (6465 in chips)
EPDOWD99: posts the ante 25
Stano W.: posts the ante 25
PokerWill1: posts the ante 25
mango24: posts the ante 25
bugman65: posts the ante 25
MarshallMoe: posts the ante 25
Ross5858: posts the ante 25
sgislander: posts the ante 25
mango24: posts small blind 200
bugman65: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PokerWill1 [Th Td]
MarshallMoe: folds
Ross5858: calls 400
sgislander: folds
EPDOWD99: folds
Stano W.: folds
PokerWill1: raises 1200 to 1600
mango24: folds
bugman65: folds
Ross5858: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [4d 2c Qh]
Ross5858: bets 3035 and is all-in
PokerWill1: ?????

[Sharkbyte123]

I fold. He limped in, to open, so he is saying he thinks he has something. No reason to believe he couldn't have paired the Q.

[Supwithbates]

this board is pretty damn dry. He could be doing this with like 77 or something, but this kind of aggression is probably like QJ

[jgunnip]

t1200 in the pot when it gets to you, seems like a pretty standard push to me.

[Huggy]

so i shoulda pushed all in pre, also i re-raised same player about 2 orbits ago with air, so he wont give me as much creditm, that did mkae me think my 10s were ahead a bit more on flop but the question is WOULD U CALL???

[registrar]

I would call. Looks like a classic stop and go to me.

[kurtkatt]

i would call to, although in 4s it can just as well be a queen not thinking ur gonna get committed if he checks. But i always call anyways, u got atleats 50% chance its something your ahead of.

[Squale88]

I came to the same conclusion. However, my understanding of the proper use of the stop and go is still far from prefect so maybe you can check my ranges for villain.

Villain's limp range: 77+,AJs+,AQo,KQs

I think that villain would shove over Hero's raise with 99+, AKo and AKs. That leaves villain's limp/call range at 88-77, AQs, AQo, AJs and KQs and I think that villain shoves any flop with this range.

If my ranges are accurate ( boy is that a big if ) then Hero is about 48% against villain's range.

Thoughts ??

[loosemmjan]

Geez, these hands kill me.

So the first question is why would villain take this line??

1. Stop and Go
2. Has AK and wants to make Hero fold
3. Bluff, same as (1) and wants to make Hero fold
4. Has Q any kicker, wants to make hero fold
5. Has the best hand and thinks Hero will call with lesser hand.


Villian accumulated > 4000 in chips somehow, maybe lucky, maybe skill. Villain limped from early position and then called your raise. I think when you raised villain decided to stop and go. If villain would have pushed pre flop you would have called. Now you have a chance to see the flop and the 1010 doesn't give the great feeling it did pre flop.
The stop and go worked to perfection for villain.

Anyway, long winded... but.... I CALL and if I lose I curse myself and start push botting.

fwiw

~loose

[kurtkatt]

villain has any hand that looks pretty, limps cause he doesnt wanna fold and its not good enough too raise.
Damn somebody raises me!!! i´ll call anyway.

Ah not an ace, or king! i´ll try and take it, ALL IN!!!