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Old 02-06-2006, 12:59 PM
Merlin27 Merlin27 is offline
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Default Can anybody read these hands??

Hi, I want to know, if I had a chance to read my opponents hands. To be honest: I misread both of them completely! My question: am I so bad in hand-reading or did my opponents play so strange, that nobody could have known what they had. SB is very loose (82% VP$IP), AF 1.0 WTSD 32%. MP3 is 30.77% VP$IP, PFR 18.27%, AF 3.91 and WTSD 31%

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (7 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

River: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP3 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
SB has Jh 5c (three of a kind, jacks).
MP3 has Kh Qc (straight, ace high).
Outcome: MP3 wins 10 BB. </font>
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:03 PM
Merlin27 Merlin27 is offline
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

Sorry, I wanted you to give the results in order that you can see their cards (didnt work although I told the converter "show results") : SB has Jh and 5c, MP3 has Kh, Qc
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

fold preflop.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

First off, you played the hand just fine except you should have folded PF.

I'd guess the SB had a J of some sort and was hoping to C/R the turn. MP3 probably had something more reasonable, like AT or KT or something?
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

Before looking at it, I think SB has AJ and MP3 has AK. BTW, I'm sure someone has said this before but you aren't going to win longterm by cold calling with QT suited or otherwise against just one other player.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:36 PM
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

Gotta fold pre-flop. You're too often dominated by the raiser for this to be a profitable call in the long term, even though your cards are suited.
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

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fold preflop.

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Normally I fold this preflop, but in this case: MP3 raises preflop with 18%, so I thought he might not have such a strong hand. And SB has a VP$IP of 82% so I can be sure, that there are at least two other players. Do you think, that in this special case it is maybe OK to call?
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Old 02-06-2006, 01:59 PM
ReptileHouse ReptileHouse is offline
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Default Re: Can anybody read these hands??

I still fold QTs here. If I'm going to play back at a LAG like this, I want a hand with better high card value. I go into 3-bet-or-fold mode. I'll 3-bet him with 88+, AJs+, AQo+.
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