,5/1 AJ

Bedz · #1 01-02-2007, 07:53 PM

Should I call flop and check fold turn? Is this play that bad?

Party Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 raises, 3 folds, Hero calls, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5SB, 3 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 3-bets, Hero calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.75BB, 2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (8.75BB, 2 players)
UTG+2 bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 10.75BB

OrigamiSensei · #2 01-02-2007, 08:00 PM

Without giving us some sort of read on the opponents it will be difficult to tell you much. If Villain is a solid raiser you probably should have folded preflop. If Villain likes to Iso-raise like then the pre-flop call is find.

Likewise, if Villain is passive postflop you are probably behind to an overpair. It's not a terrible calldown, though. If Villain is very aggressive then by all means you need to finish out the hand.

kerowo · #3 01-02-2007, 08:01 PM

Reads? Without reads this is pretty standard. If you can fold tptk you could raise the turn and see if he goes away, but if he is over aggressive with AK he is just as likely to 3-bet you. Make a note of what he had for next time.

Bedz · #4 01-02-2007, 08:08 PM

Sorry, little more info here:
It was the first hand, and I posted a BB from late position and only had to call 1 sb to see the flop.
And since this was my first hand and I don't think I've played with him before, no reads [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Bedz · #5 01-02-2007, 08:09 PM

Isn't there some program you can buy that keeps track of those kind of things?

Arcturus · #6 01-02-2007, 08:35 PM

I would think preflop is either raise or fold here. If you are trying to isolate then re-raise. Otherwise, fold. Especially without reads.

Bedz · #7 01-02-2007, 08:54 PM

Well if I re-raise and he caps it, don't I still have to call? And do I just fold the flop then?

00Snitch · #8 01-02-2007, 08:54 PM

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Isn't there some program you can buy that keeps track of those kind of things?

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http://www.pokertracker.com]www.pokertracker.com

this is only ok preflop because you posted (even though the hh doesnt show that for some reason, but you said you did).

the only other times i would be playing AJo against a raise is if the raiser is loose. however, with the limper and the raiser, i would never cold-call this (which i know you didnt, im just saying...).

the flop is very standard.

i initially thought the same about the turn, but is he really 3-betting the flop with something that you are beating? you are effectivly getting ~1:5 on your turn call (im assuming he will bet the river). are you going to take this at showdown > 20% of the time?

would anyone (even with no reads), consider giving this up on the turn? would a rainbow flop change things?

what im trying to get at is: villan is more likely to be getting agro on this flop if he has a club overcards/topair hand. K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], even things like AK/AQ with a lone club. if the flop was rainbow, the range of hands you are ahead of is much smaller maybe only something like KJ,QJ maybe AK and AQ.

anyway, i guess my point is, is this an easier/better calldown due to the existance of a flushdraw?

edit: cause im noob

ckj · #9 01-02-2007, 09:04 PM

Standard for me.

Arcturus · #10 01-02-2007, 09:13 PM

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Well if I re-raise and he caps it, don't I still have to call? And do I just fold the flop then?

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If he caps you preflop after the raise, then you would have the correct odds to call preflop. AJo is not a good hand multiway and it is not very good against a preflop raiser. However, if you feel that you could get everyone else out of the hand, then a re-raise would be a good idea. Otherwise, it would be best to fold.

FWIW, I posted my response before reading your reads in a later post. Since this occured during your very first hand at the table, I would be inclined to fold until you have a better read on the table/raiser.