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Old 12-05-2006, 01:09 PM
mike l. mike l. is offline
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Default oops i folded again

i have KJ on the button in a 5 handed 10-20 game online. i dont know anyone. the cutoff openraises, i 3 bet, the sb 4 caps it, we both call. 3 of us.

the flop is KT6r. sb bets, cutoff calls, i raise, they both call.

the turn is a Qr. sb checks, there's a little pause and then cutoff donks into me, i fold.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

wow 10-1, no way I fold. he could easily have KQ or QQ, QT, AK maybe. so sometimes you have 1.5 outs.

and I'm not sure I like your flop raise.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

At 10:1 you've got plenty to call here w/your TP and OESD. Why did you fold here?
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:34 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

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At 10:1 you've got plenty to call here w/your TP and OESD. Why did you fold here?

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cuz he put him on AJ (or maybe J9)
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

bad fold
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:44 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

"bad fold"

remember, after the cutoff bets into me on the turn, i still have the preflop capper behind me yet to act.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

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"bad fold"

remember, after the cutoff bets into me on the turn, i still have the preflop capper behind me yet to act.

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Sure, but the pot is huge and you likely have as many as 8 outs. If it goes raise and 3 bet and it's back to you then you can think about folding. Even if SB check raises and CO calls you're getting effective 14:2 on your draw which is plenty. Also another criticism is PF. If I don't know anybody at the table I shy away from 3 betting KJ PF even against a CO raise. Just muck it and take some notes, you're not giving up much value.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:52 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

it's 5 handed. im folding like a madman but im not folding KJ pf on the button 5 handed unless i have a solid read.

this turn is getting c/red like always here. and c/o probably realises that. and everyone can see i have a K minimum. yet im still being bet into.

im trying to help you guys out here. this is a nuanced laydown and this is the right spot for it. think about the hand a little more.
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:53 PM
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btw, fold preflop if you're gonna play like a girl when you make your hand
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Old 12-05-2006, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: oops i folded again

what happened to you? you were on there 3 betting everything in site on the 30-60 for like 3 days and then you disappeared...busto?
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