Fold OR Call

Alex424 · #1 01-19-2007, 03:59 PM

2/4 UB

Hero (Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img])(SB)
Villain (17.74/6/0.69) after 125 hands (C/O)

Pre-flop:

6 folds, villain raises $4, Hero reraises to $6, Villain calls

Flop (board: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]):

Hero bets $2. Villain calls.

Turn (board: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]):

Hero bets $4. Villain raises to $8. Hero?

Grease · #2 01-19-2007, 04:02 PM

I think a fold is in order since the opponent is weak-tight. If you have seen him semi-bluff raise his draws before, then I think you might be able to call (since he could have picked up a spade draw, but there's no way he could have called the flop with an OESD.)

Yeah, I think you should fold.

Alex424 · #3 01-19-2007, 04:04 PM

What if this was an unknown?

Grease · #4 01-19-2007, 04:09 PM

I would still fold since a Q could fulfill any sorts of draws even if we do spike one, not to mention the pot is tiny.

If you call here, I would assume it's to go to showdown, which means we'll be facing another bet on the river.

TheHip41 · #5 01-19-2007, 04:59 PM

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I would still fold since a Q could fulfill any sorts of draws even if we do spike one, not to mention the pot is tiny.

If you call here, I would assume it's to go to showdown, which means we'll be facing another bet on the river.

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6 folds, villain raises $4, Hero reraises to $6, Villain calls

I'm not folding QQ HU in a blind battle on a Kxx board to anyone.

Esp when the turn brougt in about 1000 draws. He can even have AT here. Call the turn, call the river.

Or, check the turn, call the auto river bet/bluff.

Alex424 · #6 01-19-2007, 05:38 PM

My thinking was with the combination of it being a blind battle and the fact he is raising on a card that creates so many draws, he could be semi-bluffing with far to many hands to warrant folding in this situation.

Haupt_234 · #7 01-19-2007, 05:42 PM

I would fold against a guy with such a small aggression factor postflop. Sure, the turn puts a lot of draws out but what is he calling you with on the flop?

Haupt_234

Alex424 · #8 01-19-2007, 05:46 PM

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I would fold against a guy with such a small aggression factor postflop. Sure, the turn puts a lot of draws out but what is he calling you with on the flop?

Haupt_234

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I considered that but he may have seen my preflop raise as an isolation raise in response to his possible steal raise and could therefore have a pocket pair and is prepared to call down, using the turn to throw me off my hand.

MarkD · #9 01-19-2007, 05:53 PM

Am I crazy but aren't AQ and AJ peeling a lot on this flop? Especially AQss or AJss?

Am I crazy if I'm the one peeling in this spot with these hands? (Although, I would have capped pre-flop.)

edit: I think hands like 99 and 77 would raise you on the flop though. I don't see a lot of guys waiting until the turn to raise these.