(60) QQ overpair, can anyone find a fold here?

[RikkiDee]

Before you go into pushmonkeyoverpair mode, consider a few things.

UTG is a pretty tight/nitty multitabler (Blue Lipton).

UTG is c-betting into 3 players after raising from UTG.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (7 handed) internettexasholdem.com

BB (t1575)
UTG (t1325)
Hero (t2930)
MP2 (t1295)
CO (t1125)
Button (t2100)
SB (t3150)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t150</font>, Hero calls t150, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB calls t125, BB calls t100.

Flop: (t600) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t350</font>, Hero ???

edit - also assume you can't reraise preflop, since I didn't. Because that is obviously an option.

[Green Kool Aid]

if you arent willing to stack off postflop, fold pf.

[Shillx]

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if you arent willing to stack off postflop, fold pf.

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Yeah I fold overpairs like it's my job but no way do I fold here. If you fold now you should have saved the t150 and folded PF.

[RikkiDee]

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if you arent willing to stack off postflop, fold pf.

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so basically QQ at any level = stack time?

[Pudge714]

I disagree with GKA and Shillx notion that calling preflop means you have to stack off here. There are villians who's preflop range I'm slightly ahead of, but who c-betting range into a 4way pot is crushing me.

I don't have a good enough read against Blue Lipton to fold here (I have only played like 20 SNG's with him)I would stack off here. Even a "good" MTTer could have 99+ here a lot of winning players play good in L1 L2 and are good pushbotters, but make a lot of mid game mistakes.

[Green Kool Aid]

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if you arent willing to stack off postflop, fold pf.

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so basically QQ at any level = stack time?

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as always, it depends.

but think about what a tight UTG multitabler is raising here.

[Cair Paravel]

I don't think you have to re-raise or fold preflop. And I think you can fold here, although it's very difficult. The only hands this guy could reasonably have are AA-TT and AcKc, right? Against that range you're basically flipping, so if you think all of those are equally likely, you can push, factoring in the dead money and a little FE. But if you can take TT out of that range, or reduce the likelihood of JJ/TT, then you have a fold.

If it were HU, I'd be inclined to push, because I'd throw a couple more hands like AK or AQ into his range. But w/ three others, I'd reluctantly fold.

EDIT: Just noticed Villain had half your stack. I'd probably re-raise PF.

[RikkiDee]

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as always, it depends.

but think about what a tight UTG multitabler is raising here.

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Thats basically the point of my thread.

And its not just what they may be raising, but also what they would c-bet into 3 opponents with.

Most multitablers (all?) will pass on a cbet with AK or any other overs here.

[Semtex]

He could have 9-9, T-T, J-J, or A-K of clubs. No way do I fold here.

[Shillx]

Yeah but he will still bet with AA-TT and you are even money there. With the dead money you have to push it. If you don't think he is on AA-TT then you have to fold PF. Plus he will have something else (AK or 99 or whatever) that you beat so this is a no brainer IMO.

This is coming from the guy who plays the most weak-tight on this forum. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] And no don't call the flop the pot is way too [censored] big.