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Old 11-27-2006, 12:24 PM
Little_blue Little_blue is offline
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Default Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Playing in a live 3-6 in AC. Very loose game 6-7 players most pots...

A crazy russian guy sits down.. His theory seems to be limp in 90% of hands and if anyone raises auto r (guess he likes big pots). In these big pots if he hits anything bad draw, 2nd pair ect rais and rr the flop, other wise callds down.

Other players are not tightening up, (though a few are complaining).

How do I ajust. I can't isolate, I can limp in on most hands as he mostly rr and only ocationaly raises (I moved to the left of him ) but impossible to isolate in this game.

Hand like KQo on the botton, 5 limpers, do I rais knowing he will limp rais, How abotu 88 on the cut off after 6 limpers including my raising frend.

Hads like kjs in the BB, after an erally loosish raiser raises and he 3 bets with 6 peiple in the hand, Call the double bet???

I was confused, mostly just played my normal game and got fustrated not hitting flops, and paying for expencisve draws.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:03 PM
Jiggymike Jiggymike is offline
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Alright, a little AC action!!! What casino were you at? I recommend the trop but they don't lay 3/6 which is ridiculous.

Anyhow, if you know he is going to raise, I think you should just limp more hands except your big suited connectors (AKs, AQs, AJs, KQs, MAYBE KJs, JTs) because those play fine for more bets with lots of loose players in the pot. Don't start going in with marginal hands and staying around too long if this guy is going to make you pay for your draws but let him build pots when you have big hands/draws on the flop. With your big connectors and big pairs you should be glad to make big pots, even if it makes some of the other players 'play correctly' by calling in big pots. The problem is that everyone is limping dead money preflop whereas you are playing with an equity edge - you should push this edge as often as possible. Raise with your big hands preflop and limp lots of other pairs and suited connectors (connectors only if unraised). Your goal should become to win a huge pot here and there with this kind of action since you can't get him to fold.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:04 PM
Bob T. Bob T. is offline
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

I think two approaches are viable here.

One, you wait for premium hands, and plan on playing them all the way to the river, most likely all the way to a showdown.

Two, you go nuts with the guy. Once the pot is huge, his approach of chasing any piece of the flop is correct. He is trying to intimidate the crowd, and his reraising and crazy play creates some dead money in every pot. Since most of the table isn't correctly adjusting to pot size, he is probably outplaying most of the players in a 3-6 game, because in big pots, they are using the wrong standards to continue past the flop.

So, you can play not afraid, and raise, and reraise with a lot of hands, that might flop big, and then try and play good poker after the flop, which is going to include a lot of chasing.

The problem with approach two, is that you are going to experience a lot of variance, but if you can handle that, it might be kind of fun, and it might give you a good lesson in hand and opponent reading, because you are going to be playing in a lot of marginal situations.

I think that the wrong approach,here is the middle approach, which is what your opponents are doing. Trying to play their usual mix of hands, and trying to make there usual postflop decisions.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:20 PM
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Doesn't everyone just love the LLHE maniac? Tighten up A BUNCH unless you're in the CO or on the button. Tend to play more sooted connectors and the like and sooted aces and kings from LP. Sometimes the preflop action gives you odds on the flop and turn to chase, and its huge when you hit.

When you flop tops, jam it hard unless the board is so coordinated that you know you're beat. But if its you and the Russian, ram and jam as many chips into the pot as possible.

I had a similiar maniac at my table Saturday night. He was two right of me, perfect positon. He went on a huge rush the first 45 minutes and ran $100 up to $380ish. 3 hours later, he was buying his 2nd rack and I was walking with $465. You just gotta be ultra patient.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Since you put him on your right, you can lower your raising standards a bit. You won't often get isolation, but your raises should still be OK.

If others are not adapting, I go for patience, play premium hands only, but expand that definition to include hands that play well multi-way. When there is pot equity in it for you, K or better flush draws and OESD's, pump it up. You may also be able to play long shot hands you would normally fold because pot size gives you the odds. I nailed a couple of gut shots this Sat. in just this kind of game. In smaller pots with fewer participants, I would have been forced to fold. No odds.

Don't chase past the turn without the odds to a quality or even the nuts hand. Suited one and even two gappers become more playable and are stealth bombs when they come in as straights. In 4 hrs. up $350 at 3/6. Nice session.

Specific advice, I want to see flops with both KQo and 88, you have enough people in the hand. Both are hands that you can get off of easily before the "expensive" betting rounds. 88, it's easy, no set, no bet. KQo, if an A flops, be ready to run away, even if a K or Q are there too. You are behind to someone.

This kind of game will drive up your variance and you do have to get good cards to win. But if you get some cards, this table presents BIG upsides potential.
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:51 PM
Little_blue Little_blue is offline
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Thanks all....
I wasw playing at the TAJ....
It was a very odd game sicne unlike most agreessive players this russian was simple a gamber...I think he just like big pots..so wants raised hel iked to rr and gamble.

After reading your post I think my major mistake was trying to push it with hand lik kqo and *** when I could have limped in. My therou was if I had an edge I should put...but with my rias nad his, my implied odds were beeing thirded...so probly not a good stratggey.

Thanks again.
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:07 PM
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Default Re: Handling an auto raiser..at 3-6 live

Move to his right.

If there's not alot of raising preflop by the other players, you should be getting in with alot of hands. If there is, I'd just switch to the wild games starting standards.

Think of what hands play well on this type of table. Especially postflop. Big offsuit hands are usually out unless you're in LP and it likely won't be raised. Plan ahead for future action. For instance:
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Hand like KQo on the botton, 5 limpers, do I rais knowing he will limp rais,

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No. You don't want to see a flop with KQo for 3 bets here. Unless you'd be able to isolate him. Which you won't be able to do from what you said. So forget about isolating until postflop.

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Hads like kjs in the BB, after an erally loosish raiser raises and he 3 bets with 6 peiple in the hand, Call the double bet???

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Yes. Call the double bet.

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