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Old 11-09-2006, 07:32 AM
RexWoo RexWoo is offline
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Default $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

Hi,

What do you think of my raise ? (note that I am the big stack + button)

Do you call the min-reraise, here ?

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t3075)
UTG+1 (t1170)
CO (t2805)
Hero (t3015)
SB (t2200)
BB (t1235)

Preflop: Hero is in Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to t455</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t710</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero folds</font>
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:42 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

Just push it preflop (or fold if you're thinking a push is no good). These effective stacks behind you are just a bit &gt;10BB.
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Old 11-09-2006, 09:10 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

I don't like a push here. I am not even sure this is +$EV.

My reasonning is that (hand the blind reraise with &lt;= hands that call a push).

If this is the case then (raise &gt; push).

What do you think ?
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

I fold to the reraise. You took a stab and got played back at..time to shut it down.

Btw, I don't like the 455 raise..I prefer 2.5BB here better. Also, I don't make this move. Is this profitable for you?
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:31 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

OP,

I think the raise size is fine.

Even though you have expressed odds to continue, I would just fold after sb's raise. Also note that "your big stack" only =15bbs.

Without running numbers, I think that pushing here is really bad.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:50 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

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Also, I don't make this move. Is this profitable for you?

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My guess is yes but I do not have the numbers to prove it. Let's try a little maths :

$EV (fold) = 21.39 (BB gets a walk) or 21.48 (SB shove / BB folds) so something like 21.45 looks OK. Obviously, the shove + call scenario is also possible but less likely.

$EV (SB and BB) fold = 23.05 (+1.6)
$EV (SB or BB reraise + I fold) = 20.10 (-1.35)
$EV (SB or BB call) = ??? but let's say (1) I always lose the pot (2) I do not put any more chip in it so = 20.10 too.

So if the blinds fold more than 1.35/(1.35+1.6) = 46% of the time then this should be profitable.

Do they fold that much ? I think so here as :
(1) I have them covered
(2) none is totally desesperate
(3) they have not proven to be especially lose

+ my hand is not good enough to put more chips in the pot anyway

What do you think about this ?
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Old 11-10-2006, 07:17 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

Everytime I try some maths, it seems that everybody runs away [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Seriously ... ?
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Old 11-10-2006, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

I'd just open fold. I don't like raising here b/c if BB shoves often you're priced into calling off nearly half your stack w/ A2o.

Agree if I was raising though it'd be t500 and yeah I'd fold to his re-raise everytime here.
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Old 11-10-2006, 11:32 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

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Everytime I try some maths, it seems that everybody runs away [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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It's probably because all of us here in the United States are confused by the pluralization of math.
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Old 11-10-2006, 11:38 AM
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Default Re: $16 PS button raise w/ A2o

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Everytime I try some maths, it seems that everybody runs away [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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It's probably because all of us here in the United States are confused by the pluralization of math.

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Well english is not my first language sir. I try to write the best that I can, anyway. Thanks a lot for your help.
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