Horrible Fancy Play Syndrome

[biendover]

No pokerace or pt stats. Only that MP has been pretty loose and passive. It's been around 3 orbits.

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, J.
Hero raises</font>, MP 3-bets</font>, 2 folds</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 9, T, 5 (3 players)</font>
BB bets</font>, Hero calls, MP raises</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

***I was thinking of raising BB's flop bet to clean my outs.
Is raising here bad?

Turn: (7.66 BB) 6 (3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets</font>, BB calls, Hero raises</font> ....

Don't know what I was thinking. How often will this c/r cause a better hand to fold since I'm showing strength vs two opponents?


Yeah I know I played this hand loopy. Do I have any logic in my thinking this hand?

Thanks,

Bien

[soah]

"How often will this c/r cause a better hand to fold since I'm showing strength vs two opponents?"

Seems pretty irrelevent since you still lose after folding out a better hand.

[nickg1532]

i can't think of a better hand that MP can have that will fold here. even 88 and 77 picked up a gutshot and will call. not a good time for this move imo

[Redeye]

Either raise or fold the flop donk, calling seems by far the worst option.

Edit: MP folding AK here would be pretty neat.

[nickg1532]

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Edit: MP folding AK here would be pretty neat.

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do you really think a loose/passive raises a protected pot on the flop, and bets a turn against 2 opponents, with AK?

[Redeye]

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do you really think a loose/passive raises a protected pot on the flop, and bets a turn against 2 opponents, with AK?

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No, I don't. My post recommended raising or folding the flop when the other player donked into the PFR with us in between. I do think a loose passive player might fold AK to this raise.

[CarpeDiem]

I would raise the flop. You could fold a better hand here.

It's hard to think of a hand c/r-ing the turn would get both players to let go by the end.

[nickg1532]

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do you really think a loose/passive raises a protected pot on the flop, and bets a turn against 2 opponents, with AK?

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No, I don't. My post recommended raising or folding the flop when the other player donked into the PFR with us in between. I do think a loose passive player might fold AK to this raise.

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ah, i misunderstood. you meant he folds AK on flop, which is probably and true and maybe a good reason to raise. i thought you meant once he gets to the turn he should pull this c/r

[ajm36]

Fold the turn. The turn raise is terrible and you are almost never folding out a better hand. BB and MP are going to call your turn raise becuase they both put in a bet on the turn which means you have to c-bet the river no matter what card falls for this to work. You gaurantee at least MP is seeing the river and any loose-passive player who 3-bet PF is calling one more on the river and if BB has a PP or any piece of the board, he's calling too.

[Oink]

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Fold the turn.

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Are you sure?
Folding this turn is bad advice, I assume you missed the 4 outs to the nuts. Getting 9.66:1 closing the action HERO only needs to pick up 0.84 BB on average when spiking a Q. This is even disregarding possible overcard outs - which obviously are very dirty.

About the turn raise beeing bad you are spot on imho.