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Old 11-07-2006, 02:02 AM
jakedaman12 jakedaman12 is offline
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Default Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

$33 deep stack on pokerstars. It is less than an hour in and I have more than doubled my chips. With M over 240, I am in no rush whatsoever.
I have no read on scooby&shaggy(MP3), he seems like a decent player.


Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
Converter

Seat 6: scooby&shagy (4735 in chips) MP3
Seat 9: jakedarake12 (10940 in chips) HERO


Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is SB with 9♥ 9♦
4 folds, MP3 raises to t120, CO calls t120 (pot was t165), Button folds, Hero calls t105 (pot was t285), BB folds.


Flop: Q♦ Q♥ 7♠ (t390, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t240, CO folds, Hero calls t240 (pot was t630).


Turn: 5♥ (t870, 2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets t360, Hero calls t360 (pot was t1230).


River: 9♠ (t1590, 2 players)
Hero bets t660, MP3 raises to t1620,

MP3 has 2400 chips left.

Do I call or put him all in??
I would think I have the best hand. The reason I bet into him was I didn’t put him on a queen, and didn’t think he would bet again. But I bet into him and he raises. That’s a pretty big sign of strength.

What hands does he have that can beat me vs what hand does he have I beat but he raised with

He beats me with QQ, Q9, Q7, Q5. All are very unlikely as he was pre flop raiser except QQ, but quads aren’t exactly common (even online), and someone who flops quads doesn’t bet 2/3 of the pot

Hands that justify a raise but I beat him: 77, 55 (more likely as he bets a maller fraction of the pot on the turn), AQ, AA, KK. The last three are unlikely as he can call, but shouldn’t raise (however some people fall in love with their over cards and might assume if I had a queen, I would have played it a little faster [ a raise on the turn perhaps]). And can he raise with AQ? I guess he figures I also have a queen and it is unlikely I apired my kicker (7,5,9), so he s got the best hand??

So I beat 77,55, AQ
I lose to QQ, Q5,Q7,Q9.

Do I call as he has shown strength or go all in which looks like a positive value move?
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:06 AM
Omahahaha Omahahaha is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

youre being results oriented again

shove all day. its very unlikely he has any of the hands youre losing to, while he can have AQ, KQ, QJ, and so on
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Old 11-07-2006, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

poooosh
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Old 11-07-2006, 04:56 AM
Fiksdal Fiksdal is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

No, at the river all-in is correct.

You should have folded your hand somewhere before that though.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:47 AM
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten to the river, but now that you got lucky you probably have the best hand. I push and expect a naked queen about 80% of the time.
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Old 11-07-2006, 09:59 AM
Sam T. Sam T. is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

Hi, I'm the Converter. Can I help you?
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Old 11-07-2006, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

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youre being results oriented again

shove all day. its very unlikely he has any of the hands youre losing to, while he can have AQ, KQ, QJ, and so on

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Yeah, esp Q♠ J&#9824.
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Old 11-07-2006, 02:13 PM
SinPies SinPies is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

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Yeah, esp Q♠ J&#9824.

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That's the second-funniest thing in this thread. The first is:

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quads aren’t exactly common (even online)

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Old 11-07-2006, 06:22 PM
jakedaman12 jakedaman12 is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

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Yeah, I wouldn't have gotten to the river, but now that you got lucky you probably have the best hand. I push and expect a naked queen about 80% of the time.

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Yes I shouldn't have been around for the rive. I don't agree that I should expect a naked queen. To raise me after it looks like I am slowplaying a monster, he most likely to have a boat.

If I had pocket fives I would flat call. Since I have the nuts if he doesn't have queens full, I agree I should go all in. But to expect a naked queen is not reading it right.
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Old 11-07-2006, 06:34 PM
SinPies SinPies is offline
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me I Shouldn\'t Go All-IN???

You're being results-oriented.

You say villain does this only when he has a full house, but you should still get all in? You think he has a worse full house than yours a majority of the time he plays the hand this way?
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