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Vehn · #1 11-10-2006, 03:33 AM

villian 28/23

PokerStars 50/100 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Preflop: Hero is MP with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, Hero caps, Button calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Button calls.

River: (10.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.75 BB

Victor · #2 11-10-2006, 03:37 AM

i usually call so i can yell about backdoor draws and go on tilt and blow 50 bets.

Vehn · #3 11-10-2006, 03:46 AM

luckily I did all 3 and saved $100

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Entity · #4 11-10-2006, 04:16 AM

Usually I 3bet the flop. Rest looks pretty goooooooot.

danzasmack · #5 11-13-2006, 02:31 PM

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Usually I 3bet the flop. Rest looks pretty goooooooot.

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Yeah I like a 3bet a lot. I think this line is fine but like said in this thread, a lot of people take this line with an overpair so 3betting almost diguises our hand more.

I agree that the river raise is "exploitable". I think as played you kinda have to b/f the river. I tell most people that I hate bet/fold more than anything so I might have c/c'd here.

I really hate to bet/fold. Doesn't mean it's wrong though.

iampaulallen · #6 11-10-2006, 04:36 AM

No way Entity-- I love that play he makes here on the flop.....sets up an easy check raise on the turn against a hand like J10/QJ/KJ-- extracts a lot more value to slowplay it a bit on the flop and check the turn to play scared and then pop it.

Entity · #7 11-10-2006, 05:01 AM

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No way Entity-- I love that play he makes here on the flop.....sets up an easy check raise on the turn against a hand like J10/QJ/KJ-- extracts a lot more value to slowplay it a bit on the flop and check the turn to play scared and then pop it.

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It doesn't always work and often you can get 3bets+ in on the flop and still more than 2 on the turn anyway. The call flop + checkraise turn line has been used so often that sometimes just stepping on the gas can get these aggro [censored] to play back lighter with a wider range than normal; in the past few days I've had several hands like this where I just jammed it and they responded in kind.

Rob

geormiet · #8 11-10-2006, 03:14 PM

THe checkraise is fine but entity's right you should definitely 3 bet this a lot of the time too.

Metagame, makes you harder to read (if you are 3 betting weaker hands as well), and most important disallows him from taking a disastrous-for-you turn free card.

On the river no one expects you to fold so hes never bluffing.

Trix · #9 11-10-2006, 09:48 AM

Yeah, I´d call next time though as it´s a very exploitable fold.

SparkyDog · #10 11-10-2006, 02:59 PM

Only problem I see is that it's pretty easy to read you for an overpair, then set, and there's like no chance you have a straight or flush. So like Trix said it's an exploitable fold. I'd probably just check/call.