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Old 10-29-2006, 06:30 PM
Mike MacIntosh Mike MacIntosh is offline
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Default ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

No reads, blinds go up in four minutes. We are second in chips and get reraised AI by the chip leader, which is the worst possible scenario. If we call and lose we are out on the bubble, and if we win we become the chip leader. What would you do in this spot???...other than throw up! Please explain.

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

Hero (t3610)
Button (t1700)
SB (t6050)
BB (t2140)

Preflop: Hero is in CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t400</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t6050 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">BB folds</font>, Hero ???
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Old 10-29-2006, 06:53 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

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What would you do in this spot???...other than throw up! Please explain.

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I'd pay more attention to the sng so that I would have reads on the bubble.

In a vacuum, I'd fold because I think calling is -$EV.
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Old 10-29-2006, 06:58 PM
Mike MacIntosh Mike MacIntosh is offline
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

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What would you do in this spot???...other than throw up! Please explain.

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I'd pay more attention to the sng so that I would have reads on the bubble.

In a vacuum, I'd fold because I think calling is -$EV.

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I was 6 tabling, and did not have a read on this opponent. This is one of the negatives to multi-tabling.
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Old 10-29-2006, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

It almost doesn't matter what range of hands you put the big stack on because calling will still be -EV. Unless you only put him on a range like 77+,A2+,K2+, then calling will be -EV. If he is any looser than this, then your call EV quickly drops. I'm not sure about the $11's, but at the higher limits you're almost always looking at a looser range of hands.

If you use SngPT, make yourself the bb for t400 and plug in various push ranges for the big stack.
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Old 10-29-2006, 08:33 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

id probably fold here unless i thought he was pushing really wide
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

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I was 6 tabling, and did not have a read on this opponent. This is one of the negatives to multi-tabling.

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IMO, you are playing too may tables then, for more than one reason.

First, I six-table and it would be very rare for me to not have a good idea about what my opponents are like by the bubble.

Second, you're playing the $11s. I was 2-tabling the $11s I think. IMO, adding tables will slow your progression.
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

Are you saying you should move up once you feel comfortable with 2 tables $11s? Why not just add a third table?
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Old 10-29-2006, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

The difference is marginal from the $22s, so you should 1table the $11 until you can beat them and try $22, and increase tables there. But whatever you are comfertable with
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Old 10-29-2006, 10:02 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

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Are you saying you should move up once you feel comfortable with 2 tables $11s? Why not just add a third table?

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I think there is a point of diminishing returns. You have to find the point where adding tables allows you to play many hands while still putting lots of thought into those hands.

It seems a lot of people add a lot of tables because they can physically act quick enough to handle it. But, IMO, this is not a great strategy. You need to be thinking about your hands to be able to get the most learning out of a given hand. If you are simply being robotic because you need to be to keep up, then you are not thinking enough about each hand you are playing. When you don't think much about your hands, you are not going to learn much from them.
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Old 10-29-2006, 10:24 PM
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Default Re: ($11s) AKs on the bubble against chip leaders push

i think you have to fold here and resume bubble pwnage on the next hand...
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