225 - QQ facing funky raise

[suzzer99]

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UTG (t2465)
UTG+1 (t535)
CO (t2565)
Button (t3515)
SB (t1710)
Hero (t2710)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="red">UTG+1 raises to t535 (All-in)</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to t1200</font>, Hero?


a) presto shove you moron

b) call and give villian a chance to make a mistake by folding the flop

c) it doesn't matter you moron

[pokerlaw]

I shove this. Looks like an isolation raise.

[samsonh]

Easy shove suzzer

[DaN_05]

Push. His range includes quite a few pairs and high card combo's etc.., he's basically assuming he can get heads-up with UTG+1, any hand he thinks is ahead of his fairly wide range, and that's a range you kill. If you're SB here and hold 88 or AT what'd you do? I'd push...

[Pudge714]

Suzzer as long as you don't fold it doesn't matter.

[b33nz]

this is such a shove its not even funny.

[ryanghall]

Easy shove.

Ryan

[suzzer99]

I never had fold as option. I'm just wondering whether flatcall shove flop might not be a slightly better play. No offense, but responses like "easy shove" don't really help as I'm not sure you even considered flatcalling. I really thought it was pretty clear what I was debating, but as usual I somehow never seem to make myself clear in my OP.

Villain had KQ. Spiked a K on the turn. He may have folded if I call and shove the flop. It got me wondering if that not might be a slightly better way to go, esp. the way people play straight-up with a shorty all in. Probably not, I guess I'd rather have the 510 chips and take the risk of his 2 or 3 outer on the turn/river (he's not folding a draw, pair or AK obv). But there is some level of villian's remaining chips vs. dead money in the flop vs. sng cev/$EV stuff where I would rather villain call and make a mistake by folding the flop.

[Pasterbator]

....so you want to just call now so he can play perfectly on the flop when he misses?

You're upset that you got all in against a person with 3 outs?

Really? Easiest push ive seen in a while.

[suzzer99]

I agree in this case the 510 chips are probably worth risking the 3-outer. But let's say he had 300 chips. It's never playing perfectly for him to fold the flop. It would be a mistake. But one he might make and save me a huge stack. If I shove I don't give him the chance to make that mistake. You see what I'm saying? In that case I can't see any advantage to shoving over flatcalling. Yes it's a small difference, probably won't matter 99.5% of the time, but just something I was thinking about.

I honestly think that even at 510 chips, with the dead money from shorty and the difference between SNG $EV vs cev--it's a lot closer than a lot of you think.