Flop fold with TPTK in a 3 bet pot

BDaws · #1 10-28-2006, 03:45 AM

Reads: Villain is 49/21/2 over 60 hands. I don't really have many reads. I had 3 bet him an orbit or two earlier and he folded PF. That, plus the fact that he opened UTG led me to believe his range is a bit stronger than a typical loose bad player's would be for calling a 3 bet PF.

He lost a pretty big hand my first couple of hands at the table with TPTK against an overpair, but he was OOP was c/called down, so I don't put him on a TPTK that I beat. If he has TP, I suspect he has a decent draw to go with it, that or two pair.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($128.55)
BB ($71.90)
UTG ($267.30)
MP ($24.40)
CO ($176.60)
Button ($121.45)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero raises to $12, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($25) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $255.3, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $295.30

I haven't played much since Partypoker shut down so I'm very rusty. Is this a bad fold? Looking back on it, I should've bet more on the flop. Probably around 18-20, right?

bobman0330 · #2 10-28-2006, 03:52 AM

This is a semibluff almost always, but the board is so drawy that you're not really winning much even when you're ahead. (Things like KxQc are ahead here, I assume, and even KQo isn't far behind). Plus sometimes you're drawing dead. I fold here.

Claunchy · #3 10-28-2006, 04:07 AM

Folding is fine here. Calling wouldn't really be that bad if you don't mind some variance.

tubasteve · #4 10-28-2006, 04:14 AM

he probably has some strong draw like Qc

calling is problbay ok but folding can't be bad either. meh.

effinA · #5 10-28-2006, 07:21 AM

near psb on flop and obv fold here.....very little edge, if any

BDaws · #6 10-28-2006, 11:58 AM

I agree with everything said in this thread. Villain actually showed AcJh and my hand was good. I was 57/43 favorite, but that's pretty much as good as it gets in terms of pot equity for me.