NL400: b/3b vs c/r decision on flop

[Caruso]

ive got a very solid image imo (17/13, not much action last orbits), villain is what seems to be a solid tag with loose tendencies (26/18, solid postflop).

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $380
CO: $896
Button: $359.60
SB: $404.20
BB: $595

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $36</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($78, 2 players)
Hero [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

wonder about the (dis-?)advantages of b/3b and c/r here.

[AAismyfriend]

I c/r this flop all day

[Big_Jim]

If anybody can find a good reason to bet, I'd like to hear it.

Betting out leaves you no FE for your 3-bet, takes away free monies from his cbet, and you'd really like to get the last bet/raise in here.

[Caruso]

if i bet like 50, will he raise aa/kk/qq anytime? o just call sometimes because board looks drawheavy, but he should know that only ak- and aq of clubs are real dangerous draws for his overpair here. if he raises, i think it would be between 150-200 (he didnt pot it preflop too), so he will get 2.5-3:1 for a call if i push - with aces he'd call it for sure, but with kk and qq against a b/3bai in such a spot?

[jsnipes28]

This is good spot for c/r.

Most TAGs realize that a bet by you in this spot is almost always going to be b/3bet which allows him to play perfectly and fold AK/AQ and raise/call shove w/ JJ+.

C/r for the free monies like BJ said.

[aceupthepants]

Check raise and eat up his cbet. I'm felting this one.

[Caruso]

FWIW

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$4
5 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $380
CO: $896
Button: $359.60
SB: $404.20
BB: $595

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $12</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises to $36</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($78, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $64</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $344</font>, CO calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($766, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $766)


River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($766, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $766)


Results:
Final pot: $766
<font color="#ffffff">CO showed Ah Ad</font>
<font color="#ffffff">Hero showed Qc Ac</font>

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