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Yes, Gambooolll I like +++EV 42 32.81%
No, are you crazy? 56 43.75%
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:13 PM
Roadstar Roadstar is offline
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Default AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

100NL Full Ring - just taking a shot at moving up so thats why I haven't reloaded..

No strong reads yet - UTG villain is about 40/12 over a small sample of hands.

Stacks - Hero ~$70, Villain covers (effective stacks ~$70 then)

Preflop

Hero gets A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in UTG+1

UTG calls, Hero raises to 5, MP2, CO, Button, BB calls (rest fold), UTG min reraises to $9, Hero calls, rest call.

Flop

Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG bets $5, Hero?!?!??!

Pot is ~ $50 now, do I push here?

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Old 10-23-2006, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

I'll see one more card (and one more action) before committing to the felt.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

Take another look at the action and reconsider.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:18 PM
Sir Winalot Sir Winalot is offline
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

Fullring, ugh. I think this is a veeerry easy check. Maybe fold or call if someone bets, whatever feeling you have. I play 6-max though so don't take my advice too given.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

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Take another look at the action and reconsider.

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Not sure what this comment is supposed to suggest.

Are you recommending folding getting 11:1 with TPTK? Bad idea. Are you recommending pushing or raising less? Bad idea. We have a very marginal hand here with a limp-minreraiser and a billion callers.

I stand by what I said. Maybe you could elaborate.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

I know we don't want to go broke with TPTK, but any good sized raise pretty much means a push here.

For those saying wait and see, we call the $5 and then reevaluate the turn? Which we're pushing most of the time right?

How do we interpret villains min limp rr? if its AA/KK then hes got me right where he wants me...
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

So you gonna fold to a raise? You have less than a potsized bet. Giving 67, any 5 or 8 or Q, any medium pocket pair 12:1 odds to hit doesn't seem smart just because you think that someone might have a set or KK/AA.
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Old 10-23-2006, 01:51 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

Given the stackot ratio i think this could well be a push. Trouble is villians bet could well be feinging weakness. If he has QQ, AA or possibly KK (he really should bet more with KK here cos a turned ace would scare him), the board has no real draws going for it so he could make a weak bet knowing you may pot commit yourself if you raise. I think this could also be a missed AK or JJ and he wants to cbet but the pot is very large and he doesn't want to make a big bet when he might be beat. Think we have to push, and if called by QQ, KK or AA make detailed notes on how he played this had.

Edit update:

Didn't realise there were so many callers to see the flop when I first read the hand. The flop bet looks like weakness now, he'd bet more with AA, KK, QQ with so many callers. Think you need to push this.

Say you call, another player calls then the flop bettor checks a blank turn card. You now know almost for sure you have the flop bettor beat, but is the other caller slowplaying you. By calling you don't really get much usefull information if anyone else just calls, so you need to raise and given the pot size that raise has to be a push.
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Old 10-23-2006, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

Agreed, its almost a push/fold situation... so we're ok with pushing then? Calling could be the worst option here...

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So you gonna fold to a raise? You have less than a potsized bet. Giving 67, any 5 or 8 or Q, any medium pocket pair 12:1 odds to hit doesn't seem smart just because you think that someone might have a set or KK/AA.

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Old 10-23-2006, 03:33 PM
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Default Re: AQs, Fold or Push Situation?

i dont understand what the extra card does for us?
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